RE: Good read on consciousness
January 8, 2021 at 2:41 pm
(This post was last modified: January 8, 2021 at 2:57 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
That would be a view that made realism and illusionism false, on it's face. If that's what free will is, if free will is, ofc.
In illusionism, there is no conscious entity to choose and there is no conscious entity to have a phenomenal experience of being fooled into thinking it has a choice.
In realism, where there is really a free will..it cannot be a user illusion or an item of strictly subjective apprehension.
-and to repeat, the trouble isn't that we can't come up with credible ways that free will or consciousness -might- be a real thing in a meaningful way, the trouble is that we can't find anything that matches that description in our brains. That we can explain the process of "seeing something' without ever once referring to any inner eye or I, which is good, on account of how we can't find one, I guess? That a specific kind of machine which absolutely does not possess this thing (if it's a thing) would be expected to report exactly the sorts of things we report, in exactly the way that we report them. That it would be expected to be ignorant of exactly the kinds of things we're ignorant of, and fail to report those, just as we fail to report those. That all of these explanations have the weight of observation and theories behind them lending credence..whereas I and free will just have us totally reporting that we do too possess these items.
I want to tend towards a kind of compatibilism, personally, but so long as compatibilism is essentially saying that the illusionists are right and we'd just like to keep the folk psy terms to discuss this other thing, well....hard to maintain.
In illusionism, there is no conscious entity to choose and there is no conscious entity to have a phenomenal experience of being fooled into thinking it has a choice.
In realism, where there is really a free will..it cannot be a user illusion or an item of strictly subjective apprehension.
-and to repeat, the trouble isn't that we can't come up with credible ways that free will or consciousness -might- be a real thing in a meaningful way, the trouble is that we can't find anything that matches that description in our brains. That we can explain the process of "seeing something' without ever once referring to any inner eye or I, which is good, on account of how we can't find one, I guess? That a specific kind of machine which absolutely does not possess this thing (if it's a thing) would be expected to report exactly the sorts of things we report, in exactly the way that we report them. That it would be expected to be ignorant of exactly the kinds of things we're ignorant of, and fail to report those, just as we fail to report those. That all of these explanations have the weight of observation and theories behind them lending credence..whereas I and free will just have us totally reporting that we do too possess these items.
I want to tend towards a kind of compatibilism, personally, but so long as compatibilism is essentially saying that the illusionists are right and we'd just like to keep the folk psy terms to discuss this other thing, well....hard to maintain.
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