(March 1, 2021 at 1:26 am)Ryantology Wrote:Quote:And another reason why the watchmaker argument completely fails, is that theists claim that their god designed everything.
That is a failure of a specific argument for a specific watchmaker who is, himself, not a made watch.
If you assert the existence of infinite watchmakers going all the way up (and perhaps down, we are made watches who make watches which, maybe someday, will be sufficiently advanced to make their own watches), it's not failing until you add excess complexity by further asserting extra qualities to our watchmaker.
I don't understand this. I thought the main crux of the argument failing was the complexity issue. Like Simon said, if everything is an example of God's creations, then you have nothing to compare with "this is what a thing looks like that was not created by God". So, there's no reason a watch is any different than sand and an appeal to the complexity of it needing a designer has failed.
Can you explain a bit more what you're talking about with the watchmaker?
