RE: The Watchmaker: my fav argument
March 4, 2021 at 9:52 am
(This post was last modified: March 4, 2021 at 9:56 am by Rahn127.)
Both the watch and the watch maker are products of a natural environment.
Nature produces raw materials (elements) and the physics through which they exist and move. Gravity produces stars which in turn make heavier elements. Those stars explode and when planets form, those elements are found in and on the planet.
Through biogenesis on a planet we get self replication of molecules and over a great deal of time we get single cells, then multicellular creatures and billions of years later, if we are lucky, we get an intelligent evolved species capable of making a watch from the existing raw materials on the planet.
All of this happens within the boundaries of nature.
Nature is the base.
Intelligence is a product of nature.
Raw materials are a product of nature.
The idea of gods themselves are products of an intelligent mind, which again is a product of nature.
Nature exists.
As you go back in time, the energy of the universe doesn't wink out of existence. Where would it go ?
As far as we can determine, energy cannot be destroyed.
The watch maker argument fails at what it wants to accomplish because it wants to create intelligence from nothing.
They want an eternal intelligence that has infinite eternal energy at it's disposal but cannot accept eternal energy alone by itself.
This this the same rationale used for lightning.
A god must be casting lightning bolts from the sky.
If there is lightning, there must be a lightning maker.
False.
It's a natural process.
Nature produces raw materials (elements) and the physics through which they exist and move. Gravity produces stars which in turn make heavier elements. Those stars explode and when planets form, those elements are found in and on the planet.
Through biogenesis on a planet we get self replication of molecules and over a great deal of time we get single cells, then multicellular creatures and billions of years later, if we are lucky, we get an intelligent evolved species capable of making a watch from the existing raw materials on the planet.
All of this happens within the boundaries of nature.
Nature is the base.
Intelligence is a product of nature.
Raw materials are a product of nature.
The idea of gods themselves are products of an intelligent mind, which again is a product of nature.
Nature exists.
As you go back in time, the energy of the universe doesn't wink out of existence. Where would it go ?
As far as we can determine, energy cannot be destroyed.
The watch maker argument fails at what it wants to accomplish because it wants to create intelligence from nothing.
They want an eternal intelligence that has infinite eternal energy at it's disposal but cannot accept eternal energy alone by itself.
This this the same rationale used for lightning.
A god must be casting lightning bolts from the sky.
If there is lightning, there must be a lightning maker.
False.
It's a natural process.
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