(February 27, 2021 at 2:30 pm)Five Wrote: I actually really like to hear discussions of the Watchmaker argument and picking it apart. So, it's an appeal to the irreducible complexity argument in biology, where there are some things in nature that are so complex they must have an intelligent designer. Yet the analogy doesn't work at all.
Because in the example, you're walking along a beach and find a watch. Based on your prior knowledge of watches and comparing it to the simplicity of the sand around it, supposedly, you can assume the watch was created by an intelligent designer. But that's a contrast that hinges on "things made by a human" and "things not made by a human". So, when making the analogy fit with "things created by God" the answer is "everything."
The complexity of a thing doesn't actually matter.
I always thought that some complex thing argument never works for a single god argument—a watch or a mug of coffee are products of thousands of years of civilization based learning and divisions of labor— you need a place, a building, a lab which you didn’t build yourself to make those things.
In other words, these products are fruit of collective efforts of many people for many generations learning and collaborating make something. That in itself implies that if there is intelligent design, there is a civilization behind it and not a single entity.
