(March 6, 2021 at 5:11 pm)Angrboda Wrote: I didn't need to look them up. Physics has demonstrated their existence. It hasn't demonstrated they have no structure. Until it does, you can't assert them as elementary particles. For someone who talks shit about other people's knowledge of physics, you seem to know dick about it.
Meanwhile, in all your shitposting, the point still has not been addressed. Let me remind you of what it is:
(March 6, 2021 at 2:13 pm)Angrboda Wrote: The point is that two particles as an example of complexity is absurd. Your argument reduces to a bunch of equivocations.
You are incredibly dishonest. You said, specifically, that two hydrogen atoms constituting complexity is absurd. I replied that hydrogen is demonstrably not simple because there are simpler components of it, namely the elementary particles, do you agree with this particular reply? No? Are they the simplest that we will ever discover ? we don't know, their very existence still proves, irrefutably, that hydrogen is complex, and thus your silly objection evaporates into thin air.
Once again, it's not I who asserted them as elementary particles. This is the term employed in modern physics, you can take it up with all these theoretical physicists who use the same terminology to describe the simplest known existent items, maybe you will be surprised when you realise they are a bit smarter than you thought when they picked the terminology. And Wtf does any of that require proving a negative assertion like "they have no structure" which is an infinite regress, because we can grasp the idea of the infinitesimal. we simply deal with we know. It's known that sand is really not a simple particle because it contains lots of molecules, which in turn contain these newly discovered elementary particles, THEREFORE sand is really incredibly complex, so much so that there is ongoing research to unravel more of the mysteries of subatomic particles.
That's all I need to reject OP's silly description of sand as simple, in comparison to watches. As if he is some omnipotent agent capable of grasping quantum field theory in the blink of an eye.