(March 6, 2021 at 7:18 pm)Five Wrote: Ah, should've expected the theists to go off on some ridiculous tangent, rather than actually address the topic. Then again, this topic is all about the ways this apologetic argument is flawed, so, no wonder; there was no reasonable way they could address it.Not to mention the whole attempt at cheating by pointing to a man-made object whose construction we can observe in real-time or at the very least are within the preview of human artifice. When I look at a shell I don't see a watch or anything comparable and only by conflation or false comparison can this be done.
For the record, since I know it's confusing, the watchmaker argument defines simple and complex by appealing to our knowledge of the differences between the watch found and the sand of the beach it was found on. Compared to the sand, the watch is clearly designed by an intelligent being and this is illustrated by its complexity of construction compared to sand. However, adding in "God created everything" destroys this comparison.
So, by saying "nuh-uh! Sand is complex!" you're proving the flaw of the argument.
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