The Watchmaker: my fav argument

[possibletarian]

And so far I've never come across anyone who believes in Harry Potter, have you ?

Right; we can treat the Bible as complete fiction. And yet the claim that Earth is imperfect, or even destructive, is an observation compatible with its narrative. These are not arguments against design; and Christianity in particular accounts for them.

Its narrative is that it was once perfect, and that the fall made it less than perfect, I ask for the third time can you point to any evidence that it was once perfect ?

I could write a book claiming that monkeys from outer space made it less than perfect and use the same excuses as you are, Fitting a narrative is irrelevant, what matters is when trying to discern the truth how can we show any particular narrative to be true. Does the geological record show an always less than perfect world throughout history, or not ?

In other words how do we tell the difference between made up narratives, and ones that are actually true if we just keep quoting the narrative as true, without showing it to be so ?

If you can't show evidence that a particular narrative is true, simply say so.

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Biblical literacy is required to make a coherent objections. Otherwise, it's like making some contrarian claim about Harry Potter but refusing to hear quotations from the books.

If you already knew the Earth was created good and subsequently fell according to the story (and perhaps I've misunderstood you). Why did you imply that God created an earth that "seems not ideal?"

Which other god was it that intervened and made the world a fallen one?

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Prospero:  Look at this!  It's perfect!  It must have been designed!

Gildenstern:  What about this odd bit over here?

Prospero:  In a fallen world, that's to be expected!

Gildenster:  So heads you win, tails I lose, I guess.

Space monkeys.. of course !