The Watchmaker: my fav argument

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Here in the US, we tend to deal with murder harshly no matter how many lollipops a given murderer hands out, and even if there are people who really like his lollipops and think he's a swell guy, and even if he murdered a murderer or two between killing children.

Okay, good for you. Muslims deal with murder harshly, too. The question stands, do you think hell -maybe for eternity- is not harsh enough for a murderer ? Won't you be satisfied if someone who harmed you in some way gets hellfire for some time as punishment ?

I don't have to prove a damned thing.  It was a proposal from our christian friend.  An evil and incompetent god.  Perhaps you should ask him?  Take free will into account?  My having (or not having) free will doesn't have anything to do with whether or not my neighbor is competent, so I'm guessing our free will and any gods competence are likewise separate.  Similarly, any acts moral nature and that acts practical outcome are not the same.  A moustache twirling villain ties a virgin to the tracks.  The train stops to avoid hitting her just before it would have derailed on a blind turn at full speed.  Good intentions, bad intentions, best laid plans, all that jazz.

Frankly, this is a better analog for god than any designer.  A bumbling idiot committed to doing shitty things that somehow fucks that up and leads to much better ends by way of divine accident and hard human work.

TBH it's not easy to defend the god as described in christian scripture, especially in the Old Testament. But that's the christians' problem. Let's take a deist who believes in an all powerful god independently of any scripture, who clearly allowed for disease and natural disasters to happen, how can this deist object to anything if he doesn't have complete information ..?

You say nothing changes the fact that someone commited murder... so what ? The deity who gaves us this life is clearly capable of giving us an infinitely better life and the murderer an infinitely worse one..? If the deity doesn't allow any amount of evil.. then how can we deserve an infinitely better life ?

If some physician performs some -ectomy operation and removes an infected but still functioning organ, this act in itself is evil, he is depriving the patient of something all healthy individuals have. But a closer look reveals he's actually doing him a favor by not letting some disease or tumor spread.... Even the doing of some physician can look morally ambiguous for someone who didn't study medicine, now extend that to an all-knowing deity, and how much we don't know compared to it......