(March 10, 2021 at 7:45 pm)Belacqua Wrote:(March 10, 2021 at 7:37 pm)Apollo Wrote: Already explained it — Anthropomorphic criteria.
Right -- judging God according to what people want.
I think your orderly Apollonian nature is using standard liberal bourgeois values. That which is exploitable for people's profit is good.
A shot of the Dionysian here would indicate that the non-useful and non-profitable is also a part of the universe, and that it's narrow-minded to judge this as a failure.
Totally clueless to what you said there but ok.
Ask yourself two questions: what does “design” include? It includes a designer, spacetime, which given the cold dark empty space and supposedly a creator we have so far for the sake of the argument. But is there something missing that is essential to design? I give you a hint—there are at least two other things missing.
Now ask yourself the second question: what are some of the characteristics of cosmos that would still exist in nature whether or not observers like humans exist? Particle spin? Gravity? Electromagnetic force? Atomic decay? Nuclear transmutation? So on and so forth.
Is ‘design’ such a property of nature or is it purely interpretive?
Things that exist regardless of us are objective reality of our universe. Design is not one of them. It’s an emergent pattern meaningful to us allowing us to use it to our advantage. Order vs disorder are human-centric concepts to weed out useful matter patterns from not useful (eg—fruit on tree or snake identification vs randomly scattered stones on sand).