RE: The Watchmaker: my fav argument
March 13, 2021 at 4:10 am
(This post was last modified: March 13, 2021 at 4:34 am by Belacqua.)
(March 13, 2021 at 3:57 am)Angrboda Wrote: Funny how in all those words you managed to skip over the part about you not having made a valid argument about Apollo's point, aside from that you can't know what you don't know
That's not the argument I made. Please stop making shit up.
I said that judging the entire universe according to how comfortable it is for humans is a bad way to judge. It is too human-centered. That was my argument. If you have an argument against what I said I promise to read it.
Quote:, but if that's the case, and not knowing what one doesn't know is narrow-minded, then what are we to say of the people who, in their narrow-mindedness argue that the evidence does indeed point to design by God?
If people make that argument we should listen to them, with all proper skepticism. I haven't seen a good argument yet that there is design in the universe pointing to God. Nor have I ever said that there is one.
Quote: If it's stupid to judge design unlikely because one doesn't know what one doesn't know, it's equally stupid for both sides. But you seem to think the one is stupid and the other is not.
I have argued that Apollo's argument was overly human-centric. I have also continually said that there are almost certainly things in the universe that we don't understand. Do you disagree with those two statements?
I've been dealing with the statements made on this thread. No doubt there are lots of other statements that I could be dealing with.
Quote: I don't think either Bierce or Apollo was arguing that the oceans and the universe couldn't have unknown uses, only that the appearance is that they do not.
Yes, I don't think they asserted that.
Quote: Bierce, writing at the turn of the 19th century was justified in his conclusions
Interesting. So you think it used to be reasonable to assert that if a God designed the world he would make it with less ocean? Or he would give people gills? Why was this more believable in Bierce's time?
Quote:, and Apollo speaking today appears justified in his conclusions.
No, his argument is still overly human-centered.
Quote: Maybe that's being narrow-minded, but if so, then you too are narrow-minded because you make statements all the time which might ultimately prove wrong but which seemed reasonable to you at the time.
It's certainly true that any of the statements I make today may turn out to be wrong. If you have any arguments against them I will respond.
