RE: The Watchmaker: my fav argument
March 21, 2021 at 2:08 pm
(This post was last modified: March 21, 2021 at 2:26 pm by Angrboda.)
(March 21, 2021 at 1:33 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote:[my comments in red](March 21, 2021 at 12:17 pm)Angrboda Wrote: Since he states that it's a matter of public fact and that they ("ID") did predict it, the phrase you reference could refer to either the intelligent design movement, or the arguments and theories.
In a petty attempt to win, and review some of my class notes, let’s take a dive into argument reconstruction:
(TL/DR - I'm right, he's wrong, and you've wasted my time.)
Step One: Close Analysis
“Intelligent design isn't [discounting term] about aliens and you know it [abusive assurance], lol. If you want people to take you seriously [abusive assurance], try taking yourself seriously [abusive assurance] first? At any rate, [discounting term] suppose [guarding term] that ID was about aliens...it's still [conclusion marker] been falsified. It posited [premise maker] an irreducible complexity which [premise marker] does not exist. I see you butchering sim theory [abusive assurance] - it's not actually [discounting term] an intelligent design theory, but go off, I guess? [negative evaluation]”
Step Two: Remove excess verbiage
“Intelligent design isn't about aliens and you know it, lol. If you want people to take you seriously, try taking yourself seriously first? [tangent] At any rate, suppose that ID was about aliens [road marker]
...it's still [conclusion marker] been falsified. It posited [premise maker] an irreducible complexity which [premise marker] does not exist.
I see you butchering sim theory- it's not actually an intelligent design theory, but go off, I guess?” [tangent]
Step Three: List explicit arguments in standard form
- P1: It [the intelligent design movement] posited an irreducible complexity [true]
- P2: which does not exist
- C3: it's still been falsified [true, the bacterial flagellum being a prominent example of such]
Step Four: ClarifyThere are several more steps that can be added to iron out the argument, but this is sufficient. In science we either formulate hypotheses inductively from previous data, or deductively from a theory. It is this second method, of deducting hypotheses from theories, that allows for falsification of a theory. And it is precisely this deduction that his first premise is built upon. Therefore it contains the following suppressed conditional:
- P1: Intelligent Design posited an irreducible complexity
- P2: Irreducible Complexity does not exist
- C3: Intelligent Design has been falsified [all true]
To which I'll simply refute with your own words:
- If intelligent design is true, then irreducible complexity exists.
In conclusion: Not only did he make an invalid deduction from intelligent design. It is obvious that intelligent design does not refers to a movement—which you comically suggested. It is incoherent to claim that a movement can be falsified. [true, but a movement's arguments, as opposed to its theories, can be true or false; again, you're simply being uncharitable in your interpretation] Only propositions can be true or false. [false, unless one includes the proposition that some argument is true] Therefore, intelligent design here refers to the theory, not some movement. But we already knew that, didn't we? You were just hoping to save face.
- "Design doesn't necessarily imply irreducible complexity...." -Angrboba, March 2021.
I hereby declare this case closed. No further arguments shall be heard. Thank you.
It wasn't a comical suggestion, as it was perfectly valid. It's also a valid critique of your current analysis.
Oxford English Dictionary Wrote:falsification, n.
2. a. The showing (something) to be groundless.
As I pointed out, the principle of charity contradicts your analysis. We haven't heard from Nudger, so your interpretation is just that, an uncharitable interpretation that makes you look like a twat. At worst, Nudger is guilty of poor wording and grammar. That doesn't make him wrong. The intelligent design movement posited that certain things, such as the bacterial flagellum, displayed irreducible complexity. The intelligent design movement's arguments, their premises, and conclusions have been shown to be groundless. That's falsification.
You fucked up. Get over it. I can tell you're pretty butthurt over having been shown wrong. I suggest you display some maturity and simply chalk it up to experience.
I'm noticing that understanding the English language is not your strong suit. Is English not your first language?
Btw, you're running perilously close to breaking the rule about trying to limit thread participation. That's twice that you've churlishly declared something over and done with. Further asinine comments like this will be reported to the staff.
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