(April 27, 2021 at 4:27 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:(April 27, 2021 at 4:23 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: Oh come on....
You give theists shit all the time for trying to get you to " disprove god" - and here you are using the same tactic....
You CANNOT prove who will be a good gun owner IN THE FUTURE.
You can only prove those unlikely to be good gun owners BASED ON PAST ACTIONS.
Of course. But I don't see any other way to improve the situation of the wrong people having guns. I think having more thorough background checks might help sort out some people who shouldn't have a firearm. Based on the hypothetical above, you would be more likely to be a better candidate for gun ownership than I would.
Just so I can better understand where you're coming from, could you outline the hoops law-abiders have to jump through to purchase a handgun where you live?
Boru
What you'll find is the hoops are expensive too.
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Here in Michigan the process varies. If you are buying a HANDGUN - you will need either a "Permit to Purchase" - or a Concealed Carry Permit. The Permit to Purchase requires the buyer to go to their local law enforcement -- after you figure out which - city, township, or county is applicable. You show up in person, usually stand in line - then get the application which you fill out and turn in. The law enforcement agency runs an initial background - and if favorable - issues the permit which is good for 15 days.
Then you go to the FFL licensed gun dealer - and fill out a form 4473 - A Firearm Transaction Record. This takes several minutes for a first timer - but after you have done a few - you can go through it in two minutes. But remember - 1 gun - or 101 guns --- you are going to fill one out EACH time you buy a gun. (all guns - not just handguns)
The dealer then calls in the NICS check. If it is favorable - you just bought a gun. If it bounces - you have to wait till either it clears - or three days -- or - in very rare cases (way less than 1 percent) it is denied. (People who are not allowed to own guns generally know this - and don't bother with this route.)
So -- Big deal you say???
Who's put out by this???
ALL OF US.
Why?? Because - Last year there were 40 MILLION NICS check performed. Each one takes a government employee a minute or so to process. Care to figure out how many man-hours that is?
So we wasted all those man hours - on a local level, and federal - policing the people who need it the least -- the law abiding citizen - who jumps through the hoops.
This is analogous to doing a total engine, transmission and trans-axle overhaul on a new car that needs washing. It's a horrendous waste of money that could be better spent policing those that actually need it -- the criminals, mental cases and other assorted morons that use firearms criminally.
Tell me you think this is money well spent.
I need a laugh.
