Divine Hiddenness

[Brian37]

I dont see how Happy's criticism does not apply.

One cannot claim the attribute of "all" as in "all powerful" as in "omni" then move the goal posts when it isn't convenient.

God is obviously capable of being unfair and not maximally good. What you're missing here is that, in a theistic world, the very definition of good is what God decides to do, not the other way around. Nobody here or any human can have a personal definition of good then impose it on God.

If this God can't do evil, then you have limited it's power. If it can, then you cannot logically call it all good.

We already know God can do evil -he gave humans all the power to inflict huge suffering on one another. Nobody is arguing that, not even theists. So, what goal posts were you talking about ?

The only reason theists defend their God claims, regardless of label, is that it coincides with their own desires.

This is ridiculous. I myself prefer a world without constraints on personal desires/sensual pleasures or personal beliefs. All people do. It's simply not up to me, or to anyone.

The Qur'an says, explicitely : Say, “If your parents, your children, your siblings, your spouses, your relatives, the wealth you have acquired, business you worry about, and homes you love, are dearer to you than Allah, and His Messenger, and striving in His way, then wait until Allah brings about His judgment.” Allah does not guide the rebellious people.

The Qur'an says in very explicit terms that I should prefer Allah and his Messenger over my wife, my children and my relatives.
Um.. you still think the Qur'an coincides with our own desires ?

If you believe in a God, that is all knowing, and all seeing, and can prevent harm to humans every time, then why does the data not bear that out by human observation? Why do Sunnis and Shiites murder each other? Why do Jews and Muslims murder each other? Why does this "all loving" God let children get cancer? Why does he sit on his hands when innocent children like Polly Klass or Adam Walsh get kidnapped and raped and butchered? 

Because he also created an afterlife... duh. What makes you think that we are better off, right now, than some murdered child? He could be living in heavenly pleasure while we are struggling with all kinds of daily obligations, emotions, responsibility,...

Humans worldwide socialize behind labels of religion, because most youth in the world get sold the beliefs of their parents prior to the ability to formulate adult critical thinking skills. Wanting any "god/GOD/or gods to be real, does not make them real by default. Reality is messy, and not a utopia. Good and bad are not explained by old mythology.

In a world without god, good and bad make even less sense than they already do. At least we have a fixed definition of these words under theism.

No, I did not miss your point. 

Your words "God is obviously capable of being unfair and not maximally good."  ^^^^^^ See above.

Then all you are justifying is might makes right. Funny how the theists does those mental gymnastics to justify always being on top. 

I grew up with kids on my block that would pull the same shit when playing a board game or sports. If you call them out on breaking even the rules they set, they attack your scrutiny and blame you for wanting fairness.

He created an afterlife? Really, tell that to the 6 million Jews whom were gassed and shot and butchered. God, "What a gag that was that Holocaust thing, such a hoot, but now you get to hang out with me."

Come on man, can you smell the shoe shine you are shoveling? Why would I worship a being that would allow such horrors to happen, because he promises me I can hang out with him in an after party? 

If a spouse beats their partner then brings them flowers after they beat them does that make the abuse ok?

If there really were such a being as theists allege, it would have a shitload of explaining to do if you want to claim it is the ultimate being in power.