(June 19, 2021 at 11:00 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote:(June 19, 2021 at 10:45 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: If she didn't ask my advice would I ever force my concerns about teratogens upon her? No.
You have to admit that's a funny answer lol. Look, everything has its limits—every conviction, every moral judgment, every belief. Failure to recognize this puts us one step away from fanaticism. The antidote is recognizing the nuance of complexity, and avoiding an absolutist mentality.
I'm not sure I follow.
Nor do I think have an absolutist mentality. I have principles, sure. And if someone wants to challenge my principles, great. The matter is open for discussion. Maybe my principles need some adjustment (or maybe they don't).
In a better world than this, forcing one's will upon a pregnant woman would be a non-issue. But in this world (in my country) it's an issue. I really try my best to relate to pro-lifers and their concern for the rights of an unborn child. I have reservations about late term abortions and such because, after all, at some point we are dealing with a living sentient being who simply hasn't been born yet. I try to appreciate all those nuances on you guys' side of the debate. So why don't we try to get on the same page?
It's slightly disingenuous to pretend that a woman's right to her body isn't at issue here. It's worth bringing up in this discussion. As I see it, there are two main issues to address. The personhood of a zygote/fetus. And a woman's right to determine what happens with her own body. The former is philosophical, and the latter political.
As far as the personhood of the fetus is concerned, we may be able to find some common ground. Remember that my position is that there is no clear moment when the zygote becomes a person. (At any rate, it ain't conception.) But that vagueness concerning personhood is also present concerning late term pregnancy. After all, a baby that has been born is uncontroversially a person. But just like fertilization of the egg is not some "magic event" that bestows personhood, neither is childbirth.
We might find some common ground on the philosophical side of the debate, even though we disagree that personhood begins at the fertilization of the egg.
I'm not sure what your views are concerning the political side, or how you feel about a woman's right to her own body. Sorry if you stated this elsewhere. I didn't see it. So let me ask: do you see any merit to the notion: "It's her body. It's her decision what happens to it.".....?