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Subsequent truths
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RE: Subsequent truths
(November 11, 2011 at 6:26 am)chadster1976 Wrote: Godschild: My point was not that the Catholic Church has a monopoly on Christianity. My point was that it is somewhat ridiculous that someone from a sect set up by their grandad can state that "Catholics are not Christians" and back it up with a Good News Bible quote! Nobody has a monopoly on God. In fact the Hindu approach to God is that as different people use different languages around the world, so different religions are different ways of talking to the same God; there are many paths to God. A slightly more mature approach than "If you ain't my type of Christian, you ain't a Christian!"
I know which path feels right for me but I will not criticize others for choosing their path, unless they choose to denigrate, belittle or persecute others for their choices.

Genesis 1:5 "And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day."

Genesis 1:16-19 "And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. And God set them in firmament of the heaven to give light upon the Earth, And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. And the evening and the morning were the fourth day."

You can't talk about lunar months or solar days before God has even created the sun and the moon. Therefore you cannot ascribe our time frame to that by which God is working. Nowhere does it say how long the day was. The 24 hour day is comprehensively NOT defined in Genesis. (I am deliberately ignoring the lack of scientific insight that leads to a seperation between the sun and stars, or that the "heavenly bodies" are fixed in the firmament.)

Genesis, like most of the Bible, should be taken as an allegorical tale depicting roughly the order in which God created the universe through his various methods. To me, His methods are the complex physics that occured around the Big Bang, creating matter and anti-matter. They include the process of evolution which has populated this planet with incredible diversity and may well have done the same on other planets. Our depiction of God should not be limited to what our forefathers could have imagined was possible when they were writing the texts that were eventually brought together in the Bible.

If I could teach my children one thing about the Bible, it is this:
People are not perfect and the Bible was compiled by people. The Bible is not perfect. Read it, learn it, but always trust in your common sense and be guided by what you feel is right. Do not let an imperfect collection of teachings become your sole doctrine for life.

You must be a deist, Christ himself said that there is only one way to the Father and that's through Him. If you can not trust in what Christ said then why do you trust Him, are you using a belief as an insurance policy, it will not work, Christ said so. You talk about others changing what the scriptures say, yet you tear them apart and say not to trust in them, it's for sure that you are going against Catholic doctrine.
You are correct in say the scriptures do not expressly say the days where 24 hours, but the verses you have given imply that they were. Just because the moon and sun where not created the first day does not mean it was not rotating in a 24 hour cycle. Why would each day of creation be called a day if were a week, month, year ect. You say that the Roman Catholic church has and use the original languages of scripture, then study them and you will see that the original language meant an actual 24 hour day. The word day through out scripture always means a 24 hour day unless it is used to say, "as in the day of David" for example to indicate a longer period of time but not any longer than the life of a person or definitely defined period of time, scripture is very consistent in this. Why would you have your children read a book that you yourself do not trust, one that you can not tell what is real or not, one in which you do not know what is truth and what is not. You really make no sense to me.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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Subsequent truths - by chadster1976 - November 10, 2011 at 9:07 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by Zen Badger - November 10, 2011 at 9:15 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by Voltair - November 10, 2011 at 9:16 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by chadster1976 - November 10, 2011 at 9:22 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by frankiej - November 10, 2011 at 11:41 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by MysticKnight - November 24, 2011 at 9:23 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by IATIA - November 25, 2011 at 7:27 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Kayenneh - November 10, 2011 at 9:22 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by The Grand Nudger - November 10, 2011 at 9:51 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by chadster1976 - November 10, 2011 at 11:58 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by fr0d0 - November 10, 2011 at 4:18 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by chadster1976 - November 10, 2011 at 4:33 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by The Grand Nudger - November 10, 2011 at 4:37 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Godschild - November 11, 2011 at 3:17 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by Erinome - November 11, 2011 at 7:44 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by fr0d0 - November 11, 2011 at 4:05 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by chadster1976 - November 11, 2011 at 6:26 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by fr0d0 - November 11, 2011 at 9:04 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by Godschild - November 11, 2011 at 2:38 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by ib.me.ub - November 11, 2011 at 6:31 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by chadster1976 - November 11, 2011 at 7:34 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by KichigaiNeko - November 11, 2011 at 8:50 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by The Grand Nudger - November 11, 2011 at 9:44 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by The Grand Nudger - November 11, 2011 at 2:55 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Godschild - November 11, 2011 at 7:31 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by chadster1976 - November 12, 2011 at 6:49 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by Voltair - November 13, 2011 at 1:04 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Godschild - November 13, 2011 at 3:30 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by 5thHorseman - November 13, 2011 at 3:51 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by chadster1976 - November 13, 2011 at 5:25 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Godschild - November 14, 2011 at 4:52 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by The Grand Nudger - November 13, 2011 at 5:26 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by LastPoet - November 14, 2011 at 4:33 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by Justtristo - November 14, 2011 at 8:14 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by Faith No More - November 14, 2011 at 4:59 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by The Grand Nudger - November 14, 2011 at 5:03 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by 5thHorseman - November 14, 2011 at 5:04 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by chadster1976 - November 14, 2011 at 8:48 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Godschild - November 15, 2011 at 1:14 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by padraic - November 14, 2011 at 9:32 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by KichigaiNeko - November 15, 2011 at 1:16 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by chadster1976 - November 15, 2011 at 3:00 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Godschild - November 15, 2011 at 3:21 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by frankiej - November 15, 2011 at 3:23 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Godschild - November 15, 2011 at 9:48 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Norfolk And Chance - November 15, 2011 at 9:56 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by padraic - November 15, 2011 at 5:47 pm
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RE: Subsequent truths - by Minimalist - November 15, 2011 at 10:19 pm
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RE: Subsequent truths - by Godschild - November 16, 2011 at 3:52 am
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RE: Subsequent truths - by chadster1976 - November 16, 2011 at 8:51 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Godschild - November 17, 2011 at 4:35 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by KichigaiNeko - November 16, 2011 at 11:10 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Minimalist - November 16, 2011 at 11:20 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Faith No More - November 17, 2011 at 3:59 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by fr0d0 - November 17, 2011 at 4:13 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by KichigaiNeko - November 17, 2011 at 10:00 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by The Grand Nudger - November 17, 2011 at 10:19 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by chadster1976 - November 17, 2011 at 1:35 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by fr0d0 - November 17, 2011 at 5:40 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by 5thHorseman - November 17, 2011 at 5:04 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Godschild - November 18, 2011 at 2:54 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by downbeatplumb - November 18, 2011 at 2:53 pm
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RE: Subsequent truths - by Jackalope - November 19, 2011 at 10:37 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by 5thHorseman - November 17, 2011 at 5:44 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by ElDinero - November 18, 2011 at 4:20 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by Godschild - November 21, 2011 at 12:00 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by Erinome - November 21, 2011 at 12:49 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by Godschild - November 21, 2011 at 6:34 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Norfolk And Chance - November 21, 2011 at 6:53 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Godschild - November 21, 2011 at 7:47 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Norfolk And Chance - November 21, 2011 at 9:56 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Godschild - November 23, 2011 at 12:33 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by IATIA - November 23, 2011 at 1:19 am
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RE: Subsequent truths - by Erinome - November 21, 2011 at 7:09 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by ElDinero - November 21, 2011 at 7:40 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Norfolk And Chance - November 22, 2011 at 4:23 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by ElDinero - November 21, 2011 at 2:57 am
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RE: Subsequent truths - by The Grand Nudger - November 18, 2011 at 3:23 pm
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RE: Subsequent truths - by Erinome - November 18, 2011 at 6:05 pm
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RE: Subsequent truths - by Minimalist - November 18, 2011 at 8:04 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Erinome - November 18, 2011 at 8:25 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by chadster1976 - November 20, 2011 at 7:24 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by Norfolk And Chance - November 20, 2011 at 7:43 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by Milky Tea - November 20, 2011 at 8:25 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by chadster1976 - November 20, 2011 at 9:16 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by Norfolk And Chance - November 20, 2011 at 9:31 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by downbeatplumb - November 20, 2011 at 10:11 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by chadster1976 - November 20, 2011 at 10:28 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by Norfolk And Chance - November 20, 2011 at 10:45 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by chadster1976 - November 20, 2011 at 10:54 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by The Grand Nudger - November 20, 2011 at 11:03 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by downbeatplumb - November 20, 2011 at 11:17 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by The Grand Nudger - November 20, 2011 at 11:45 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by chadster1976 - November 20, 2011 at 12:13 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by IATIA - November 20, 2011 at 12:25 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by The Grand Nudger - November 20, 2011 at 12:17 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by chadster1976 - November 20, 2011 at 12:48 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Norfolk And Chance - November 20, 2011 at 12:57 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by chadster1976 - November 20, 2011 at 1:09 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Norfolk And Chance - November 20, 2011 at 1:19 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by chadster1976 - November 20, 2011 at 1:22 pm
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RE: Subsequent truths - by chadster1976 - November 20, 2011 at 1:36 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Norfolk And Chance - November 20, 2011 at 1:50 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Godschild - November 20, 2011 at 11:21 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by IATIA - November 20, 2011 at 11:43 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Godschild - November 21, 2011 at 5:59 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Jackalope - November 21, 2011 at 6:28 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by fr0d0 - November 20, 2011 at 2:52 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Norfolk And Chance - November 20, 2011 at 5:25 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Faith No More - November 20, 2011 at 5:49 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Norfolk And Chance - November 20, 2011 at 5:53 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by fr0d0 - November 21, 2011 at 4:03 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by IATIA - November 20, 2011 at 5:53 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Phaedra - November 21, 2011 at 3:46 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by ElDinero - November 20, 2011 at 10:33 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by 5thHorseman - November 21, 2011 at 3:57 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by Phaedra - November 21, 2011 at 4:02 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by Norfolk And Chance - November 21, 2011 at 6:09 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by chadster1976 - November 21, 2011 at 12:13 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Norfolk And Chance - November 21, 2011 at 1:12 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by IATIA - November 21, 2011 at 12:25 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by 5thHorseman - November 21, 2011 at 1:08 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Erinome - November 21, 2011 at 1:10 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Minimalist - November 21, 2011 at 1:13 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by 5thHorseman - November 21, 2011 at 1:17 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Minimalist - November 21, 2011 at 1:22 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by LastPoet - November 21, 2011 at 1:34 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by chadster1976 - November 21, 2011 at 4:19 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Norfolk And Chance - November 21, 2011 at 4:52 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Norfolk And Chance - November 21, 2011 at 6:18 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Epimethean - November 22, 2011 at 7:57 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by The Grand Nudger - November 22, 2011 at 9:10 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by chadster1976 - November 22, 2011 at 11:32 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by Epimethean - November 23, 2011 at 1:08 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by Godschild - November 23, 2011 at 4:16 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by The Grand Nudger - November 23, 2011 at 4:22 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Epimethean - November 23, 2011 at 5:11 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by downbeatplumb - November 24, 2011 at 3:52 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by The Grand Nudger - November 24, 2011 at 8:59 pm
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RE: Subsequent truths - by downbeatplumb - November 25, 2011 at 12:19 pm
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RE: Subsequent truths - by Epimethean - December 7, 2011 at 11:43 pm
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