Mindfulness or Mindlessness?

[DLJ]

Both.  It's a re-entrant system.  

The mind produces thoughts, but what produced the mind?  It was the feedback from the environment and thoughts.  Sure, the hardware is just biology, but that isn't the mind - that is just a framework for the mind to form.

There's certainly something 're-entrant' about it.

I think you are making the case that 'the mind' is the software / an app.

So, you know when theist apologisers argue that their spaceless-timeless-disembodied-mind-god created the universe and we have to argue that you can't have a mind without a brain and a brain can't exist in non-space?

Well, I think we can go one better than that and argue that minds don't exist and therefore, that kind of god can't exist.

Or, at any rate, that minds exist in the same way that the sky exists.

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What do you mean by mind?

If you mean the brain then yes the brain produces thoughts.

Nope. I don't mean brain.

Think of it like the difference between a corporation's (corpus/body) datacentre (brain) vs. it's information flows and information artefacts (mind).

Sorry for the late reply btw, I just had my first SARS jab.... knocked me out for a couple of days.