RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness?
September 7, 2021 at 11:01 pm
(This post was last modified: September 7, 2021 at 11:14 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
That's one objection. To be fair, the sort of possibility being suggested is metaphysical possibility - not physical or natural possibility. I think that people who find conceivability compelling might agree to rule out many or any other kind.
While it may not be physically or naturally possible for light to be any faster, if there were an all powerful god it's conceivable that it could have tacked a +1 on there. While there may be no pzombies anywhere in the universe, it's at least conceivable that the nature of some thing could be to mimic humanity in all respects save one.
We're probably not going to find that mimic out there..it's gonna be the goddamned cockroach one and we're for dinner. Juuuust good enough to get us closer to their mouths.
I have difficulty imagining it as well, but failures of my imagination may be just that. Granting inconceivability and impossibility, though, we might learn that even if there were pzombies....we'd still be convinced they were conscious.
Just like the pzombies in the thought experiment. I wonder...being exactly like us in every way except the one, would they also doubt our reports of consciousness?
While it may not be physically or naturally possible for light to be any faster, if there were an all powerful god it's conceivable that it could have tacked a +1 on there. While there may be no pzombies anywhere in the universe, it's at least conceivable that the nature of some thing could be to mimic humanity in all respects save one.
We're probably not going to find that mimic out there..it's gonna be the goddamned cockroach one and we're for dinner. Juuuust good enough to get us closer to their mouths.
(September 7, 2021 at 10:53 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: If a person walked up to me, behaving exactly like a person behaves, I would find it inconceivable that that person wasn’t having a conscious experience.
I have difficulty imagining it as well, but failures of my imagination may be just that. Granting inconceivability and impossibility, though, we might learn that even if there were pzombies....we'd still be convinced they were conscious.
Just like the pzombies in the thought experiment. I wonder...being exactly like us in every way except the one, would they also doubt our reports of consciousness?
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