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Subsequent truths
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RE: Subsequent truths
(November 12, 2011 at 6:49 am)chadster1976 Wrote: Christ is written to have said... not Christ himself said. I am perfectly consistent in my approach towards the Bible, insofar as I do not believe it to be the infallible and literal truth. With many inconsistencies and contradictions, either you are hiding from that or employing spectacular doublethink! How come you can happily say that it doesn't say it was a 24 hour day then say "but it must mean a 24 hour day because..." a day always means a 24 hour day except when it doesn't. Can't you see the poor logic? Gods only witness during the early stages of creation was himself. A human being wrote that it took seven days, despite the chronology suggesting it all took place at night (evening and the morning were the first day)! This human, like all others, is fallible, as are those who scribe, re-scribe, translate and re-translate. Have you never thought why we might say "the Day of David" and "the 1st day of creation"? Have you failed to consider the use of metaphors and analogy throughout the Bible, including ALL of the parables? Where the book itself is so deliberately filled with the use of these literary tools, why is it so important to pin down certain verses as absolute fact, rather than accept them in a more poetic fashion? Again I ask, why seek to limit God by defining rigidly the time frames in which he can choose to act? My beliefs do not tear up the doctrines of the Catholic Church and are in fact closely aligned to those of the Catholic Church in the early middle ages. It is interesting how, over time, analysis of scriptures brings new ideas to the fore. But why do you wish to make believing in God so difficult for yourself? Why must you insist that to believe in God and Jesus, you must reject obvious observations, evidence and common sense rather than accept that the problems ONLY happen when YOU limit God to what a person has written on a piece of paper. I must act within the laws of the universe because that is where I am. F=mA works for me so we write it down and call it a law. God is not confined by our concept of the universe so F=mA is irrelevant to God, so why write it down as a law? I am confined in time and space, God is not. Arguing that he must have stuck to a 24 hour timetable because someone wrote it down is just a tiny bit illogical, if you truly believe in the infinite power of a Creator.

I may be making no sense to you because I am being entirely rational.

And yes, St Paul could have been an Uncle Billy Bob, but that would still make his Church, at worst, equally as worthy. The point being, should one criticize the other as being "not Christian"?

You really need to study the Hebrew language, if you would do that you might find that each creation day was 24 hours. As for my limiting God you are fooling yourself, you think that God set things into motion and let the process of evolution do it's work, that is limiting God and denying His omnipotence and omniscient power. I on the other hand recognize His great and unlimited powers and that He did use them to create a universe and all it contains in six 24 hour days. What kind of thinking does your brain do, "suggesting it all took place at night", by using the lunar calendar description of a 24 hour day. When the scriptures use a parable it's plainly stated that a parable is being used. My logic is not poor, it follows the true use of the Hebrew language, why can't you, you say the Catholic Church has so many of the old Hebrew Scriptures. As far as your being more closely aligned with the early middle age church, I agree, you would keep the people from having a true understanding of our God and Savior, keeping them blinded to His true authority, I would bet that is what you are afraid of, the authority of God, seems you are trying to deny it. I do not make it difficult for myself to believe in or see God for who He is, by trusting in His Word I get a really nice picture of my Savior, it allows me to believe in who He truly is. Now prove to me that God's powers were so weak that it took Him billions of years to get the universe going, instead of doing an awesome work in six days. Have you ever considered that a six day creation could not be claimed by anyone else.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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Subsequent truths - by chadster1976 - November 10, 2011 at 9:07 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by Zen Badger - November 10, 2011 at 9:15 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by Voltair - November 10, 2011 at 9:16 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by chadster1976 - November 10, 2011 at 9:22 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by frankiej - November 10, 2011 at 11:41 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by MysticKnight - November 24, 2011 at 9:23 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by IATIA - November 25, 2011 at 7:27 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Kayenneh - November 10, 2011 at 9:22 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by The Grand Nudger - November 10, 2011 at 9:51 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by chadster1976 - November 10, 2011 at 11:58 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by fr0d0 - November 10, 2011 at 4:18 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by chadster1976 - November 10, 2011 at 4:33 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by The Grand Nudger - November 10, 2011 at 4:37 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Godschild - November 11, 2011 at 3:17 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by Erinome - November 11, 2011 at 7:44 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by fr0d0 - November 11, 2011 at 4:05 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by chadster1976 - November 11, 2011 at 6:26 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by fr0d0 - November 11, 2011 at 9:04 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by Godschild - November 11, 2011 at 2:38 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by ib.me.ub - November 11, 2011 at 6:31 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by chadster1976 - November 11, 2011 at 7:34 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by KichigaiNeko - November 11, 2011 at 8:50 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by The Grand Nudger - November 11, 2011 at 9:44 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by The Grand Nudger - November 11, 2011 at 2:55 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Godschild - November 11, 2011 at 7:31 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by chadster1976 - November 12, 2011 at 6:49 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by Voltair - November 13, 2011 at 1:04 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Godschild - November 13, 2011 at 3:30 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by 5thHorseman - November 13, 2011 at 3:51 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by chadster1976 - November 13, 2011 at 5:25 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Godschild - November 14, 2011 at 4:52 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by The Grand Nudger - November 13, 2011 at 5:26 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by LastPoet - November 14, 2011 at 4:33 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by Justtristo - November 14, 2011 at 8:14 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by Faith No More - November 14, 2011 at 4:59 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by The Grand Nudger - November 14, 2011 at 5:03 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by 5thHorseman - November 14, 2011 at 5:04 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by chadster1976 - November 14, 2011 at 8:48 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Godschild - November 15, 2011 at 1:14 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by padraic - November 14, 2011 at 9:32 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by KichigaiNeko - November 15, 2011 at 1:16 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by chadster1976 - November 15, 2011 at 3:00 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Godschild - November 15, 2011 at 3:21 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by frankiej - November 15, 2011 at 3:23 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Godschild - November 15, 2011 at 9:48 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Norfolk And Chance - November 15, 2011 at 9:56 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by padraic - November 15, 2011 at 5:47 pm
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RE: Subsequent truths - by Minimalist - November 15, 2011 at 10:19 pm
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RE: Subsequent truths - by chadster1976 - November 16, 2011 at 8:51 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Godschild - November 17, 2011 at 4:35 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by KichigaiNeko - November 16, 2011 at 11:10 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Minimalist - November 16, 2011 at 11:20 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Faith No More - November 17, 2011 at 3:59 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by fr0d0 - November 17, 2011 at 4:13 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by KichigaiNeko - November 17, 2011 at 10:00 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by The Grand Nudger - November 17, 2011 at 10:19 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by chadster1976 - November 17, 2011 at 1:35 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by fr0d0 - November 17, 2011 at 5:40 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by 5thHorseman - November 17, 2011 at 5:04 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Godschild - November 18, 2011 at 2:54 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by downbeatplumb - November 18, 2011 at 2:53 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Norfolk And Chance - November 19, 2011 at 10:31 am
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RE: Subsequent truths - by 5thHorseman - November 17, 2011 at 5:44 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by ElDinero - November 18, 2011 at 4:20 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by Godschild - November 21, 2011 at 12:00 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by Erinome - November 21, 2011 at 12:49 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by Godschild - November 21, 2011 at 6:34 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Norfolk And Chance - November 21, 2011 at 6:53 pm
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RE: Subsequent truths - by Erinome - November 21, 2011 at 7:09 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by ElDinero - November 21, 2011 at 7:40 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Norfolk And Chance - November 22, 2011 at 4:23 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by ElDinero - November 21, 2011 at 2:57 am
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RE: Subsequent truths - by The Grand Nudger - November 18, 2011 at 3:23 pm
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RE: Subsequent truths - by Erinome - November 18, 2011 at 6:05 pm
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RE: Subsequent truths - by Minimalist - November 18, 2011 at 8:04 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Erinome - November 18, 2011 at 8:25 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by chadster1976 - November 20, 2011 at 7:24 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by Norfolk And Chance - November 20, 2011 at 7:43 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by Milky Tea - November 20, 2011 at 8:25 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by chadster1976 - November 20, 2011 at 9:16 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by Norfolk And Chance - November 20, 2011 at 9:31 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by downbeatplumb - November 20, 2011 at 10:11 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by chadster1976 - November 20, 2011 at 10:28 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by Norfolk And Chance - November 20, 2011 at 10:45 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by chadster1976 - November 20, 2011 at 10:54 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by The Grand Nudger - November 20, 2011 at 11:03 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by downbeatplumb - November 20, 2011 at 11:17 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by The Grand Nudger - November 20, 2011 at 11:45 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by chadster1976 - November 20, 2011 at 12:13 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by IATIA - November 20, 2011 at 12:25 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by The Grand Nudger - November 20, 2011 at 12:17 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by chadster1976 - November 20, 2011 at 12:48 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Norfolk And Chance - November 20, 2011 at 12:57 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by chadster1976 - November 20, 2011 at 1:09 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Norfolk And Chance - November 20, 2011 at 1:19 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by chadster1976 - November 20, 2011 at 1:22 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Norfolk And Chance - November 20, 2011 at 1:26 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by chadster1976 - November 20, 2011 at 1:36 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Norfolk And Chance - November 20, 2011 at 1:50 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Godschild - November 20, 2011 at 11:21 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by IATIA - November 20, 2011 at 11:43 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Godschild - November 21, 2011 at 5:59 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Jackalope - November 21, 2011 at 6:28 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by fr0d0 - November 20, 2011 at 2:52 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Norfolk And Chance - November 20, 2011 at 5:25 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Faith No More - November 20, 2011 at 5:49 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Norfolk And Chance - November 20, 2011 at 5:53 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by fr0d0 - November 21, 2011 at 4:03 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by IATIA - November 20, 2011 at 5:53 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Phaedra - November 21, 2011 at 3:46 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by ElDinero - November 20, 2011 at 10:33 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by 5thHorseman - November 21, 2011 at 3:57 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by Phaedra - November 21, 2011 at 4:02 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by Norfolk And Chance - November 21, 2011 at 6:09 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by chadster1976 - November 21, 2011 at 12:13 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Norfolk And Chance - November 21, 2011 at 1:12 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by IATIA - November 21, 2011 at 12:25 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by 5thHorseman - November 21, 2011 at 1:08 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Erinome - November 21, 2011 at 1:10 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Minimalist - November 21, 2011 at 1:13 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by 5thHorseman - November 21, 2011 at 1:17 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Minimalist - November 21, 2011 at 1:22 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by LastPoet - November 21, 2011 at 1:34 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by chadster1976 - November 21, 2011 at 4:19 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Norfolk And Chance - November 21, 2011 at 4:52 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Norfolk And Chance - November 21, 2011 at 6:18 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Epimethean - November 22, 2011 at 7:57 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by The Grand Nudger - November 22, 2011 at 9:10 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by chadster1976 - November 22, 2011 at 11:32 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by Epimethean - November 23, 2011 at 1:08 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by Godschild - November 23, 2011 at 4:16 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by The Grand Nudger - November 23, 2011 at 4:22 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Epimethean - November 23, 2011 at 5:11 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by downbeatplumb - November 24, 2011 at 3:52 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by The Grand Nudger - November 24, 2011 at 8:59 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by The Grand Nudger - November 24, 2011 at 9:25 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by downbeatplumb - November 25, 2011 at 12:19 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by ThomM - December 7, 2011 at 8:16 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Epimethean - December 7, 2011 at 11:43 pm
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