(September 9, 2021 at 10:57 pm)Ronaldo Wrote: Israel is the most vaxed nation and have the biggest spike... That completely rules out any notion of it lowering cases in that country at leastIsrael is not the most vaccinated nation in the world. It's not even in the top 20, even if you remove nations with fewer than 200,000 residents from the list. The top most vaccinated nation is Malta. And how are they doing? Pretty bloody good, actually.
Ok not all nations are experiencing a spike but you only need some nations to spike to show that its not as effective as they said it would be
Quote:- Effective vaccines have always made a person immune... The definition of vaccine contains this "provide immunity against one or several diseases"While the subtleties of how vaccines work exactly seem to be beyond you, here's a crucial point: there has never been a vaccine that's 100% effective. That said, The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines both have an effectiveness rate of more than 94%. And, in practice, even when COVID breaks through, the vaccinated are less likely to have a severe case and far less likely to die.
If it doesn't provide immunity then how is it possible to reach herd immunity? Its not
And if they don't provide immunity then whats the use of getting vaxed in the first place?
Quote:- Boosters was never part of the deal... The claim was that these vaccines would end covid without boosters... They haven't."When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?"
Quote:- If its the vaxed testing positive then what are the unvaxed worried about? Why not let the unvaxed deal with their health choice?Besides the fact that even with breakthrough cases being a thing, the vaccinated still have a better chance at pulling through (I posted a source earlier in this post), on a large enough scale, letting the unvaxed dealign with their health choice would lead hospitals being overrun with cases to the point where people dying of other causes have to be turned away. And this is happening in Georgia right now. And since you're Australian, here's an article about the possibility of that same thing happening in Victoria.
Quote:Over here now to return home to the state of Victoria from NSW a person mustBetter safe than sorry. Plus, very few nations have even reached the old estimate of 66% herd immunity. Not Israel, not America, not Australia. And the Delta variant has a higher R0, and thus, a higher percentage for herd immunity necessary.
- Be vaxed
- Quarantine in NSW for 14 days
- Get a negative covid test
- Quarantine again for 14 days in Victoria
So if their so effective then why must a person go through all that other rubbish while still wearing masks and being subjected to lockdowns???
Quote:I can't help but notice that the decimal places in the first column are off by two places. Or is the CDC saying that, for instance, 5.346% of people 70+ years old end up neither alive nor dead from the infection?
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Really safe and effective... I believe the CDC has even more deaths...
And less than 10% of cases get reported... So what is the real figure...
I'm going to need some actual links to the sources for this particular dataset. Because I actually tried to find the numbers in that image, and found nothing. I even tried doing a reverse image search and found nothing. I need to be certain that these numbers weren't just pulled out of somebody's ass. Not even necessarily saying they're false yet. I'm just saying that I don't know enough about it to comment; it could be legit, it could be just something you or some Facebook friend pulled out of their asses, although, with something like this, I suspect the latter is more likely.
Quote:The swine flu vaccine in the 70s got pulled after 25 deaths, now we're accepting hundreds of thousands of them...Of course, the fact that the swine flu outbreak in question only had 13 hospitalised cases period and one death might have had something to do with it. As of right now, there have been 4.55 million deaths from COVID.
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