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Subsequent truths
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RE: Subsequent truths
(November 13, 2011 at 5:25 pm)chadster1976 Wrote: Godschild. I worry that you don't even know which language many of the scriptures were originally written in.
The concept of time measured in "hours" was not defined when Genesis was written. Day was used (as even you acknowledged) to signify both a solar day and a significant period in time. A day of destiny does not literally mean 24 hours. Why you keep measuring the lunar calendar is beyond me as the moon wasn't created until day 4 (and it says nothing about it being set in motion). Time in the old testament cannot be accurately judged by modern standards because of a lack of understanding of basic principles regarding the motions of the sun and the moon. Seasons were often counted as years which also led to mistakes during bouts of unusual weather. If you take away our modern definitions of hour, day, month, year etc. how WOULD you describe 6 separate periods of creation? Ergo, saying it was the first day (of Creation) does not mean it was the first 24 hours. Let's face it, Genesis doesn't even say which day God started on (because Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday etc. didn't exist as words when Genesis was written), so why assume Saturday or Sunday is his Sabbath? The Babylonians hadn't sold Moses one of their new Pirelli Calendars so with the greatest of respect to the author of the first few books, he didn't really have much of a handle on timekeeping or recording.
Suggesting it took place at night was what we normal people call "a joke" because it says "the evening and the morning were the n'th day" and not vice versa.
Did I deny his omnipotence or did I suggest that he had chosen a particular method of creation? What I have done is remove all human limits from him. I simply believe that human ideas of time have been added to the story to help people make sense of it, so everything fits in a place. It simply isn't necessary and it makes no sense to make the literal translation so fundamental to having faith in God.
The Bible does not clearly draw distinctions between metaphor, parable, poetic language and historical account. One important reason it doesn't and can't is because it is an in-annotated collection of different writings from different sources that were collected over a period of 300 years and chosen by a committee. This committee chose and rejected scripture for a range of different.t reasons, which we simply are not party to. Politics, power, personal beliefs, favourite texts? The bible is not infallible.
By insisting upon the 6 day creation rather than what is obviously observable, you say you get a really nice image of God. So your preferred view of God is more important than what is obvious to all basic observations?
Creating the universe is awesome no matter how long it took. Is all you want a game of "my God's better than your God"?

Just because a day was not defined by a 24 hour time period does not mean that the days were not 24 hours long, you need to get real. I use the lunar calendar statement because that is how the Jewish calender is laid out. The day is defined as a lunar day in scripture, always, unless the word day was used to define a certain period of time as, in the days of David. The Jewish calender has never used seasons to define years, so how you come up with seasons being counted as years in a book written by the Hebrews is beyond me. The scriptures do call distinction between poetic languages, parables, history, prophecy and ect., I'm not sure why you can not understand this unless you do not study scripture. Just exactly how does observation have anything to do with disproving a six day creation, also to say that God did not create all in six days is to limit (deny) God's omnipotence and omniscience. My God is the only God and if you can not accept Him for who He is without making Him fit in your world view then that's on you. The scriptures are very clear that we are to fit into who God is not what we want Him to be. To many so called christians want to make Jesus fit their life style, yet Jesus was very clear that one is to accept Him for who He is and what He desires us to be. By the way you are the one who said that there is more than one way to come to the Father, this denies the authority of Christ and promotes a false doctrine and Paul taught that the church was to take a stand against those who preach a false doctrine. Now I guess you are going to say that Paul took his own initiative on this matter, yet Jesus is the One who sent Paul to the gentiles to give us the truths of Christ and His bride.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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Subsequent truths - by chadster1976 - November 10, 2011 at 9:07 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by Zen Badger - November 10, 2011 at 9:15 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by Voltair - November 10, 2011 at 9:16 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by chadster1976 - November 10, 2011 at 9:22 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by frankiej - November 10, 2011 at 11:41 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by MysticKnight - November 24, 2011 at 9:23 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by IATIA - November 25, 2011 at 7:27 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Kayenneh - November 10, 2011 at 9:22 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by The Grand Nudger - November 10, 2011 at 9:51 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by chadster1976 - November 10, 2011 at 11:58 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by fr0d0 - November 10, 2011 at 4:18 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by chadster1976 - November 10, 2011 at 4:33 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by The Grand Nudger - November 10, 2011 at 4:37 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Godschild - November 11, 2011 at 3:17 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by Erinome - November 11, 2011 at 7:44 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by fr0d0 - November 11, 2011 at 4:05 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by chadster1976 - November 11, 2011 at 6:26 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by fr0d0 - November 11, 2011 at 9:04 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by Godschild - November 11, 2011 at 2:38 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by ib.me.ub - November 11, 2011 at 6:31 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by chadster1976 - November 11, 2011 at 7:34 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by KichigaiNeko - November 11, 2011 at 8:50 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by The Grand Nudger - November 11, 2011 at 9:44 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by The Grand Nudger - November 11, 2011 at 2:55 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Godschild - November 11, 2011 at 7:31 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by chadster1976 - November 12, 2011 at 6:49 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by Voltair - November 13, 2011 at 1:04 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Godschild - November 13, 2011 at 3:30 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by 5thHorseman - November 13, 2011 at 3:51 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by chadster1976 - November 13, 2011 at 5:25 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Godschild - November 14, 2011 at 4:52 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by The Grand Nudger - November 13, 2011 at 5:26 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by LastPoet - November 14, 2011 at 4:33 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by Justtristo - November 14, 2011 at 8:14 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by Faith No More - November 14, 2011 at 4:59 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by The Grand Nudger - November 14, 2011 at 5:03 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by 5thHorseman - November 14, 2011 at 5:04 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by chadster1976 - November 14, 2011 at 8:48 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Godschild - November 15, 2011 at 1:14 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by padraic - November 14, 2011 at 9:32 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by KichigaiNeko - November 15, 2011 at 1:16 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by chadster1976 - November 15, 2011 at 3:00 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Godschild - November 15, 2011 at 3:21 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by frankiej - November 15, 2011 at 3:23 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Godschild - November 15, 2011 at 9:48 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Norfolk And Chance - November 15, 2011 at 9:56 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by padraic - November 15, 2011 at 5:47 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Godschild - November 15, 2011 at 9:58 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Erinome - November 15, 2011 at 9:54 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Minimalist - November 15, 2011 at 10:19 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Erinome - November 15, 2011 at 11:05 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Godschild - November 16, 2011 at 3:52 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by frankiej - November 16, 2011 at 9:12 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by chadster1976 - November 16, 2011 at 8:51 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Godschild - November 17, 2011 at 4:35 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by KichigaiNeko - November 16, 2011 at 11:10 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Minimalist - November 16, 2011 at 11:20 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Faith No More - November 17, 2011 at 3:59 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by fr0d0 - November 17, 2011 at 4:13 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by KichigaiNeko - November 17, 2011 at 10:00 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by The Grand Nudger - November 17, 2011 at 10:19 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by chadster1976 - November 17, 2011 at 1:35 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by fr0d0 - November 17, 2011 at 5:40 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by 5thHorseman - November 17, 2011 at 5:04 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Godschild - November 18, 2011 at 2:54 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by downbeatplumb - November 18, 2011 at 2:53 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Norfolk And Chance - November 19, 2011 at 10:31 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by Jackalope - November 19, 2011 at 10:37 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by 5thHorseman - November 17, 2011 at 5:44 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by ElDinero - November 18, 2011 at 4:20 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by Godschild - November 21, 2011 at 12:00 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by Erinome - November 21, 2011 at 12:49 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by Godschild - November 21, 2011 at 6:34 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Norfolk And Chance - November 21, 2011 at 6:53 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Godschild - November 21, 2011 at 7:47 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Norfolk And Chance - November 21, 2011 at 9:56 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Godschild - November 23, 2011 at 12:33 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by IATIA - November 23, 2011 at 1:19 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by Erinome - November 22, 2011 at 7:19 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by Godschild - November 22, 2011 at 11:24 pm
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RE: Subsequent truths - by Erinome - November 21, 2011 at 7:09 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by ElDinero - November 21, 2011 at 7:40 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Norfolk And Chance - November 22, 2011 at 4:23 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by ElDinero - November 21, 2011 at 2:57 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by downbeatplumb - November 21, 2011 at 12:43 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by The Grand Nudger - November 18, 2011 at 3:23 pm
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RE: Subsequent truths - by Erinome - November 18, 2011 at 6:05 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Minimalist - November 18, 2011 at 6:13 pm
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RE: Subsequent truths - by Minimalist - November 18, 2011 at 8:04 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Erinome - November 18, 2011 at 8:25 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by chadster1976 - November 20, 2011 at 7:24 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by Norfolk And Chance - November 20, 2011 at 7:43 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by Milky Tea - November 20, 2011 at 8:25 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by chadster1976 - November 20, 2011 at 9:16 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by Norfolk And Chance - November 20, 2011 at 9:31 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by downbeatplumb - November 20, 2011 at 10:11 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by chadster1976 - November 20, 2011 at 10:28 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by Norfolk And Chance - November 20, 2011 at 10:45 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by chadster1976 - November 20, 2011 at 10:54 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by The Grand Nudger - November 20, 2011 at 11:03 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by downbeatplumb - November 20, 2011 at 11:17 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by The Grand Nudger - November 20, 2011 at 11:45 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by chadster1976 - November 20, 2011 at 12:13 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by IATIA - November 20, 2011 at 12:25 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by The Grand Nudger - November 20, 2011 at 12:17 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by chadster1976 - November 20, 2011 at 12:48 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Norfolk And Chance - November 20, 2011 at 12:57 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by chadster1976 - November 20, 2011 at 1:09 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Norfolk And Chance - November 20, 2011 at 1:19 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by chadster1976 - November 20, 2011 at 1:22 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Norfolk And Chance - November 20, 2011 at 1:26 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by chadster1976 - November 20, 2011 at 1:36 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Norfolk And Chance - November 20, 2011 at 1:50 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Godschild - November 20, 2011 at 11:21 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by IATIA - November 20, 2011 at 11:43 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Godschild - November 21, 2011 at 5:59 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Jackalope - November 21, 2011 at 6:28 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by fr0d0 - November 20, 2011 at 2:52 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Norfolk And Chance - November 20, 2011 at 5:25 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Faith No More - November 20, 2011 at 5:49 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Norfolk And Chance - November 20, 2011 at 5:53 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by fr0d0 - November 21, 2011 at 4:03 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by IATIA - November 20, 2011 at 5:53 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Phaedra - November 21, 2011 at 3:46 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by ElDinero - November 20, 2011 at 10:33 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by 5thHorseman - November 21, 2011 at 3:57 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by Phaedra - November 21, 2011 at 4:02 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by Norfolk And Chance - November 21, 2011 at 6:09 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by chadster1976 - November 21, 2011 at 12:13 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Norfolk And Chance - November 21, 2011 at 1:12 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by IATIA - November 21, 2011 at 12:25 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by 5thHorseman - November 21, 2011 at 1:08 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Erinome - November 21, 2011 at 1:10 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Minimalist - November 21, 2011 at 1:13 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by 5thHorseman - November 21, 2011 at 1:17 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Minimalist - November 21, 2011 at 1:22 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by LastPoet - November 21, 2011 at 1:34 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by chadster1976 - November 21, 2011 at 4:19 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Norfolk And Chance - November 21, 2011 at 4:52 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Norfolk And Chance - November 21, 2011 at 6:18 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Epimethean - November 22, 2011 at 7:57 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by The Grand Nudger - November 22, 2011 at 9:10 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by chadster1976 - November 22, 2011 at 11:32 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by Epimethean - November 23, 2011 at 1:08 am
RE: Subsequent truths - by Godschild - November 23, 2011 at 4:16 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by The Grand Nudger - November 23, 2011 at 4:22 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Epimethean - November 23, 2011 at 5:11 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by downbeatplumb - November 24, 2011 at 3:52 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by The Grand Nudger - November 24, 2011 at 8:59 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by The Grand Nudger - November 24, 2011 at 9:25 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by downbeatplumb - November 25, 2011 at 12:19 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by ThomM - December 7, 2011 at 8:16 pm
RE: Subsequent truths - by Epimethean - December 7, 2011 at 11:43 pm
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