(September 28, 2021 at 4:18 pm)HappySkeptic Wrote: The group has value only because the individuals have value.
I agree with this. It's why I've always rejected the oversimplified Randian model of individualism vs. collectivism model.
"Collectivism" can he extremely valuable to large numbers of individuals, and it can even promote their own individualist enterprises... simply by trying to improve everybody's circumstances.