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The Ownership of Science
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RE: The Ownership of Science
(November 3, 2021 at 12:31 pm)brewer Wrote:
(November 3, 2021 at 12:12 pm)GaryAnderson Wrote: Oh no no no, I just want to see how tolerant you are and that science doesn’t belong just to you, but to all humanity. Smile

It does, in many aspects, belong to humanity but if used inappropriately to come to non science conclusions then the validity of those conclusions should be questioned.

The theists who reference science for god arguments are simply validating that their faith can't stand on it's own. If god(s) actually existed as more than a concept then god (and it's religion) would not need to use science (incorrectly) to be convincing.

How can science be used inappropriately to answer existential questions for which you may not agree and like?
Theists use science as one tool to validate their beliefs. The other is history.
Philosophers use science to validate their hypothesis or theories.


(November 3, 2021 at 1:53 pm)Ranjr Wrote: leap of faith

  1. an act of believing in or attempting something whose existence or outcome cannot be proved.
You don't need science to take a leap of faith.  In fact, it's the very act of abandoning science.  Might as well jump.
When saying that “there’s a multiverse” that’s a leap of faith. Or when saying that “we live in a simulation” that’s a leap of faith. Why? Because one guy studies string theory and the other guy studies quantum mechanics.


(November 3, 2021 at 1:56 pm)Spongebob Wrote: So far I've seen this GaryAnderson display a lot of nonsensical ideas, but the one that strikes me the hardest is when he says things like "philosophy uses science for...". First problem here is that the scientific method is a philosophy or is based in philosophy. You can't separate science from philosophy. So it really is nonsensical to say things like it's wrong for philosophy to use science for...(fill in blank). And if you want to argue about something specific that some philosopher said, you really have to get into the details about that; you can't generalize and make a meaningful argument.

But if your question really is as the OP suggests about who can or should use science, then the question is again, somewhat nonsensical. The scientific method is a philosophical method for solving problems or answering questions. Anyone can use it for anything and the results (provided you do it correctly) are more likely to be reliable than if you based the answer to your question on something like ancient books or cultural wisdom or guessing.

I knew you were special too. Smile You’re taking a hard turn here and saying that science IS philosophy. Good for you my friend, good for you.
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The Ownership of Science - by GaryAnderson - November 3, 2021 at 10:47 am
RE: The Ownership of Science - by The Grand Nudger - November 3, 2021 at 10:52 am
RE: The Ownership of Science - by Brian37 - November 3, 2021 at 10:56 am
RE: The Ownership of Science - by GaryAnderson - November 3, 2021 at 10:57 am
RE: The Ownership of Science - by Mister Agenda - November 4, 2021 at 1:23 pm
RE: The Ownership of Science - by Mister Agenda - November 4, 2021 at 2:08 pm
RE: The Ownership of Science - by Neo-Scholastic - November 4, 2021 at 2:24 pm
RE: The Ownership of Science - by brewer - November 3, 2021 at 10:58 am
RE: The Ownership of Science - by GaryAnderson - November 3, 2021 at 11:00 am
RE: The Ownership of Science - by Brian37 - November 4, 2021 at 4:55 am
RE: The Ownership of Science - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - November 4, 2021 at 5:39 am
RE: The Ownership of Science - by slartibartfast - November 4, 2021 at 2:39 pm
RE: The Ownership of Science - by zwanzig - November 3, 2021 at 11:01 am
RE: The Ownership of Science - by The Grand Nudger - November 3, 2021 at 11:03 am
RE: The Ownership of Science - by Neo-Scholastic - November 3, 2021 at 11:28 am
RE: The Ownership of Science - by GaryAnderson - November 3, 2021 at 11:04 am
RE: The Ownership of Science - by Ahriman - November 3, 2021 at 11:11 am
RE: The Ownership of Science - by Alan V - November 4, 2021 at 2:26 pm
RE: The Ownership of Science - by Neo-Scholastic - November 4, 2021 at 4:30 pm
RE: The Ownership of Science - by Angrboda - November 4, 2021 at 5:58 pm
RE: The Ownership of Science - by Neo-Scholastic - November 4, 2021 at 6:32 pm
RE: The Ownership of Science - by Jehanne - November 6, 2021 at 2:20 pm
RE: The Ownership of Science - by Neo-Scholastic - November 6, 2021 at 6:49 pm
RE: The Ownership of Science - by Anomalocaris - November 6, 2021 at 7:43 pm
RE: The Ownership of Science - by The Grand Nudger - November 3, 2021 at 11:06 am
RE: The Ownership of Science - by GaryAnderson - November 3, 2021 at 11:07 am
RE: The Ownership of Science - by Deesse23 - November 3, 2021 at 11:08 am
RE: The Ownership of Science - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - November 3, 2021 at 11:09 am
RE: The Ownership of Science - by Simon Moon - November 3, 2021 at 11:37 am
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RE: The Ownership of Science - by GaryAnderson - November 3, 2021 at 11:11 am
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RE: The Ownership of Science - by Angrboda - November 3, 2021 at 4:04 pm
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RE: The Ownership of Science - by The Grand Nudger - November 3, 2021 at 11:18 am
RE: The Ownership of Science - by Nay_Sayer - November 3, 2021 at 11:20 am
RE: The Ownership of Science - by GaryAnderson - November 3, 2021 at 11:20 am
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RE: The Ownership of Science - by Brian37 - November 3, 2021 at 11:40 am
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