The Ownership of Science

[GaryAnderson]

Dude. A theist will use fine-tuning as a reason to say that the universe is intelligently designed. A theist will also say that God was the prime mover.
Both answers, answer something which science can’t prove but science is used in our case to make an educated guess.
Philosophers use other scientific facts based on quantum mechanics to say that we live in a multiverse or a simulation.

Why are you so confused about this?

You just got through telling me that you were the confused one?

Sure, you can make claims, but that's not a scientific claim.  It's wrong with respect to the facts.  The universe isn't you shaped, you're universe shaped.  Are you trying to convince these people that it's not possible for a religious belief to be supported by scientific facts?

What do you need this to be true to contend about the sacred, about what's set apart and forbidden? Let's start there? I bet there's a way to establish that without making a counterfactual statement your only premise.

Dude, these are claims made using science. They can’t be proven. So basically you don’t want anybody to make claims using science. Fair enough.

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I don’t understand you again.

If your reading comprehension is that poor, what does that say about your reading of the magic book?

What’s wrong on the facts?
I gave you one example and you don’t like it and then you say it’s not a religious belief?

Your idiotic god created the universe and fine tuned it for life? That is not a fact, not science and not even vaguely rational.

The intelligence of my God is not the point. The point is do you have any problems with anyone using science to support their beliefs?

Here’s an example:
The universe exists and the Big Bang happened. <--- this is based on a very strong theory*

1 - An atheist says : I don’t know why it exists. It just is.
2 - An agnostic atheist, let’s take the scientist Michio Kaku for example, will philosophize and says : There’s a multiverse that exists which creates new universes and Big Bangs randomly.
3 - A theist will say: God created this universe because it’s fine-tuned for life.

Who is mis-using science here? (sic)

Statement 1 says nothing about science/scientific method.
Statement 2 is based on scientific theories that are not particularly strong but worthy of consideration.
Statement 3 is nothing but speculation.  There's no real science there.

So, taken in this context, none of these statements are misusing science.

Thank you !

[quote="The Grand Nudger" pid='2073367' dateline='1635963623']
Understood. You’re a true atheist and don’t allow yourself to ask “why”. Some other people like to ask “why”.

Why does 2 + 2 equal 4?

Because it’s a mathematical brute fact. You’ve heard about brute facts I assume. Like the universe exists - that’s a brute fact.