The Ownership of Science

[GaryAnderson]

Yes, some of us have heard of brute facts but I do not think you are there yet. Does the universe exist in the the particular way that it does by necessity or could it have been otherwise? To what exactly, i.e. what kind of objects, do the symbols of the math equation "2 + 2 =4" refer?

Not to confuse the matter even more, but mathematics is an example of an axiomatic system.

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No man. This is why we don’t understand each-other. I’m simply asking if you have a problem with one group or another using science to make leaps of faith on existential topics. And it sounds like you do have a problem with people doing that. This doesn’t strike me as very tolerant because I don’t care who uses science to answer existential questions.
Live and let live.

Wait, this was not in the OP.  Using science (I assume you mean the scientific method) to make any "leap of faith" is inappropriate and very different from your original question.  The scientific method is meant to test an idea, not justify a leap of faith.

I see that you’re confused again. Here’s an example.
Science has shown us the values of Fundamental forces in this universe.
A theist says: these values are fine-tuned by God.
Do you have any problems with theists saying that?

A philosopher says that “these values are created randomly in an infinite multiverse, where universes collide and create new random big bangs”
Do you have any problems with him saying that?

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The intelligence of my God is not the point. The point is do you have any problems with anyone using science to support their beliefs?

Not at all. Science is evidence based. What science can you provide for your god?

None.

Am I wrong? Have you some particular scientific evidence for your particular version of a god? Of course not.

Put up or shut up.

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Dude are you reading? Fine-tuning is a scientific fact which a theist can use to prove that the universe was intelligently designed.