The Ownership of Science

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The Ownership of Science

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RE: The Ownership of Science

November 4, 2021 at 6:32 pm

(November 4, 2021 at 5:58 pm)Angrboda Wrote:

(November 4, 2021 at 4:30 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Yes, of course. IMO science doesn't see teleology and normative aspects of reality because the assumptions of a rationally ordered universe and the efficacy of human reason are already in the background as a prerequisite to any scientific inquiry. Nevertheless, whether or not either of [those] assumptions are real or only apparent and why are theological and philosophical questions about which IMHO reasonable people can disagree and epistemic humility is warranted.

What you mean is science rejects your metaphysics. There's plenty of teleology and norms in science, just not on the hooks you want to hang them on.

I'm saying science has very little to say about the ontology of things like functions but uses them anyway.

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