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Why Why?
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RE: Why Why?
(November 6, 2021 at 5:17 pm)slartibartfast Wrote:
(November 5, 2021 at 9:41 am)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: To the OP: some of us are intensely curious..."Know thyself"..."Man by nature wants to know"...etc.

I have no problem with curiosity. How can some theists at the same time claim to be curious, whilst discounting all of the answers provided by science (such as to evolution) - at the same time surrounding themselves with a belief system that 1. actively discourages curiosity in anything other than what their flavour of religion claims to provide answers to. 2. Actively discourages questioning any logic anomalies in its own answers

There are people whose belief system tells them that only science can say anything meaningful about the world. They actively discourage any questioning which isn't of the quantifiable empirical scientific type. 

Of course it's been pointed out that their beliefs rest on unprovable assumptions, but some people will still get angry if you say you doubt. Their certainty in their metaphysics appears to show that they are not comfortable with many kinds of doubt.

(November 5, 2021 at 3:36 am)slartibartfast Wrote: To the best of my knowledge, Christianity does not provide a reason for our existence, other than saying God created us but his purpose is so unknowable and obscure that we shouldn't ask.
That's strange, because lots of Christian thinkers have suggested reasons for our existence. Have you read Dante?

(November 5, 2021 at 2:26 pm)T.J. Wrote: Funny story, I once read a live application bible that made the claim God created us because he loves us. First time I heard that as an answer to the reason of our existence, but I found it interesting.

There are pretty much two levels of religious thinking. One is for regular people who don't care much about theology, they just want to go to church and have community and hear pep talks. The other is for people who want to be educated about theology.

In the more educated version, God created the world (with people) because he is Goodness itself. 

Imagine a good person. What would this person do? If he or she just sat in a room all the time and met no one and did nothing, he wouldn't be very good, I don't think. Goodness would prompt him to act. 

This is the meaning behind the famous sentence "bonum diffusivum sui." Goodness spreads itself. A good person will do good for others. That is why God is said to have made the world -- as an overflow of his own goodness.

The important thing to remember is that God is complete, needs nothing, wants nothing. When people say that we are supposed to love God back, it means that we are supposed to aim ourselves toward the Good. In fact this is in our best interests. To the extent that we are good, we are doing what God "wants." To the extent that we are good, we avoid hurting ourselves and others and live for the best aims.
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Why Why? - by slartibartfast - November 5, 2021 at 3:36 am
RE: Why Why? - by Silver - November 5, 2021 at 3:42 am
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RE: Why Why? - by brewer - November 5, 2021 at 7:01 am
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RE: Why Why? - by Ferrocyanide - November 12, 2021 at 2:07 pm
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