Why Why?

[Ferrocyanide]

Order is generally believed to be an organized state, as opposed to disorder, a disorganized state.  A popular example being a puzzle complete, and a puzzle in pieces.  Another could be a tree, and loose fiber.

The puzzle is an artificial object.
For a tree, why would that be considered as order?
I assume by loose fiber, you mean that is an example of disorder, but why is that disorder?

I was wondering about the whys of why outside of mortality and our attempts to evade it - since it was mentioned.

Do you mean why we say that asking Why questions doesn’t make sense and we should actually ask How?
I had given the example of:
How is the hardness of aluminium X?
Why is the hardness of aluminium X?

Yes, one could say that nature (a brainless thing) has given us those purposes. I don’t object to that.
In terms of designs, nature is the designer via the properties of matter/space.
Even if there are gods-aliens or alien gods, they exist in their own universe and their own universe designed them. The body of the god-alien is at least as complex as ours, their cells or whatever, is at least as complex as ours.
William Lane Craig recognized this argument and declared at some point that his jewish god does not have any components and is simpler than us. (I have to bring in theists into the conversation).

You being alive vs you being molecules scattered around is a great example of order and disorder.

I guess calling one order and the other disorder is a matter of convention, sort of how it was decided to call one type of charge positive and the other one is negative.

In the case of order, one configuration might be called order and the thousands of other configurations are called disorder. There is an imbalance.

I can't help but mention I find this bit of the exchange profoundly odd.  The things you've mentioned before and even here are, at least, real.  They're not pixies, or a pixie premised ideology.  These are the things that move you, compel you, flesh out your sense of purpose..but, at the same time, you don't think there's any meaningful difference between them and the idea that you should prostrate yourself before some non existent god....and there's something a god could say about that?”

We have to list the possibilities:
1. There are 1 or more god-aliens. They created us. He wants to give me purpose/job.

Me: I haven’t observed any of these gods and I don’t know what they want and I think no other human has as well.
In terms of evidence, there is no solid evidence that there are gods or that any human has spoken to any gods.
The scale tips to the side of ancient humans inventing gods and the stories that they tell us about them are inventions.

2. There are 1 or more god-aliens. They didn’t create us. He wants to give me purpose/job.
Me: My response is the same.

3. There are 1 or more god-aliens. They created us. He doesn’t want to give me purpose/job.
Me: My response is the same.

4. There are 1 or more god-aliens. They didn’t create us. He doesn’t want to give me purpose/job.
Me: My response is the same.

5. No gods. Only nature.
There is evidence that nature exists but it is a brainless thing. There is no way to have a conversation with it.

You had written “I'd add drinking coffee”
but how can we determine that is a purpose assigned by nature to you?

Was I able to properly answer you or did I miss something?