Deciphering gibberish?

[SlowCalculations]

Religionists tend to go to great and convoluted lengths to try to make a point. It isn’t you.

Boru

Thanks, yea, I wish I had arguments for some of them but some require information I'm still learning so I can't and others I understand but I'm sitting there going this is so bad that I do not know how to simplify this on the level their needing while also trying to avoid insulting them.

Calling someone stupid doesn't get a person to understand an argument, but there are also times i have called an argument silly or suggested why it's flawed. I don't want to come across as an aggressive person. I want people to feel like they can approach me and have these conversations in a setting that isn't yelling or screaming. This is because although yelling or screaming was maybe some people's way of coming out of religion it wasn't mine. I needed someone who didn't yell and scream but talked me through things. I think it's the direction of my goals. But I'm also not NT? so maybe there is some hidden reason as to why that way didn't work? Or maybe it's unrelated i think it's most likely unrelated and connected to my personality.

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I think I know what you're talking about but without a specific example, it's hard to say if it is simply my deconversion from religion that has given me a handy translator. There are lots of things that I assess as nonsense and absurd now but in the back of my head, the translator is running and my old faith-based understanding is able to interpret it from a theist pov. So, even as I'm coming at it from a more rational mindset now, I know from what I was taught growing up, how I was indoctrinated, how these things are supposed to go together or work. They still don't objectively make sense but I can at least understand how once I might have made sense of them if I was a theist being confronted with it.

I think you get it and I know I should have given an example but I wasn't able to pull an example up that i could think of off the top of my head but if anything comes to the surface i'll throw it at you and show you what I'm meaning. Off-topic: That made me consider learning from their perspective even though I disagree then maybe I'd have a chance at getting someone to comprehend mine. But I feel like I'm already doing that at times and it's frustrating figuring out complicated subjects for myself and having the ability to share them in a way that makes sense? I often feel dumb but then i got people always telling me I'm quick and I'm not as dumb as i think i am which is confusing. Cause i feel like i should keep up but maybe I'm putting to much pressure on myself to quickly.

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I don't argue religion with believers. I don't even talk much about religion with atheists, for that matter.

Neither do I except on this forum.

Australia is one of the most secular nations on earth.  Religion simply doesn't come up. Believing Aussies tend to go to church for hatchings, matchings and despatchings.

Since my devout Catholic Mother died 2 years ago, there have been no believers in my life. The only time mum and I spoke about religion it was obliquely. Eg She didn't like Pope John Paul 11 because she thought he was reactionary.  Didn't like the next one , Pope Benedict XV1   because she thought he was unpleasant. Quite liked the current one. She also saw through the most senior Catholic cleric in Australia at the time, referring to him as "that slimy George Pell" 

 I have a very religious family but there unique. My family isn't terrible they may try to convince me God is real and argue their case but they don't use fear tactics or tell you you're going to hell either. It can be annoying I guess? but it's never become a concern they're fairly democratic too so I got lucky. My dad raised us to believe whatever we wanted to believe. Ironically though I was the only one who ended up being the athiest.