RE: Subsequent truths
November 20, 2011 at 12:57 pm
(This post was last modified: November 20, 2011 at 1:07 pm by Norfolk And Chance.)
You ever heard of Occam's Razor? The simplest explanation is often the best?
Personally, i'm sick of hearing from theists "we can't measure god scientifically" as if it is some sort of valid point. The obvious answer is that you can't measure anything that doesn't exist scientifically or any other way.
It never ceases to amaze me that this simple concept NEVER occurs to theists.
But we do not know that god was necessary to start the universe.
I see no valid reason why she was necessary to start it off.
The big bang started this universe off, but where did it come from? Did it just explode out of nothing? Possibly! No need for a god if that was the case. Did it explode out of the old material from an old universe? Possibly, there is no way of knowing before the big bang though.
What if the big bang was the infinite number big bang in a series going back for all time eternal? There'd never be a starting point because you could always go back one step beyond each new start into infinite time, and you'd never get to a cause so why would you actually need one?
We get trapped too much into thinking that the universe had to have a cause and that life has to have meaning - this is just the confines of human thinking but doesn't make it true.
Personally, i'm sick of hearing from theists "we can't measure god scientifically" as if it is some sort of valid point. The obvious answer is that you can't measure anything that doesn't exist scientifically or any other way.
It never ceases to amaze me that this simple concept NEVER occurs to theists.
(November 20, 2011 at 10:54 am)chadster1976 Wrote: That isn't a reason for YOU to exist...
Reproduction is not a reason as such. If you want to take that philosophical step then an equally valid argument could be "God exists because he was necessary to start the universe". The philosophical argument has nothing to do with any scientific argument because it is completely untestable. You disagree with me on points of philosophy but don't add sloppy skepticism to a list of potential disagreements.
But we do not know that god was necessary to start the universe.
I see no valid reason why she was necessary to start it off.
The big bang started this universe off, but where did it come from? Did it just explode out of nothing? Possibly! No need for a god if that was the case. Did it explode out of the old material from an old universe? Possibly, there is no way of knowing before the big bang though.
What if the big bang was the infinite number big bang in a series going back for all time eternal? There'd never be a starting point because you could always go back one step beyond each new start into infinite time, and you'd never get to a cause so why would you actually need one?
We get trapped too much into thinking that the universe had to have a cause and that life has to have meaning - this is just the confines of human thinking but doesn't make it true.
You are currently experiencing a lucky and very brief window of awareness, sandwiched in between two periods of timeless and utter nothingness. So why not make the most of it, and stop wasting your life away trying to convince other people that there is something else? The reality is obvious.
