(January 11, 2022 at 5:52 pm)Irreligious Atheist Wrote: And no, we don't know enough about side effects of the vaccines. A shit load of people have reported supposed side effects. We don't know which of those side effects are genuinely from taking the vaccine, or which bad health effects are just coincidence and had nothing to do with the vaccines. This is information we do not have, therefore there is a lack of information out there and more work needs to be done to understand more about the situation we are in. If you can't say for sure whether these bad health effects were just coincidence or were actually from the vaccine, then how can you just handwave away all of these potential adverse health effects? Explain yourself. How can YOU possibly know what is unknown at the moment, about the individual reported possible adverse health effects of the vaccines, when no one else knows? You know what nobody else does?
TMI shit aside, there is, in fact, a way to test how much of these side effects are coindidence and how much of them are caused by the vaccine. And here's an example of how they did it.
Case in point: some people in the trials for the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines ended up getting something called Bell's Palsy, a (temporary) paralysis of the muscles in the face. Alarm bells are probably going off in your head, but before you do it, here are the numbers.
In the Pfizer trials, 4 people out of a total of 43,000 got it. Odds of getting it from Pfizer: 1 in 10750
In the Moderna Trials, 3 people who got the vaccine (plus one who didn't) got it out of a total of 30,000. Odds of getting it from Moderna: 1 in 7500, (1 in 10,000 if you don't count the guy who got it from the placebo)
And for the control, in America, 40,000 people develop it every year out of a population (Estimated in 2020) of 328 million. Odds of getting it generally: 1 in 8200.
If there were some causal relationship, the chances of getting it would probably have to be significantly higher than normal. And, in this case, the only way I could get the numbers higher than normal was if I counted the case Moderna got from the one guy who only got the placebo. Hell, if I counted all eight and combined them into one number, it'd still be lower than the control (1 in 9125). So, in this case, you actually have less of a chance of getting it from the vaccine than normally. This does not sound like a good correlation.
I'm sure there's more to it when scientists test whether or not there's a causative factor (or even much of a correlation), but this is a good place to start understanding how people figure out which side effects could be caused by COVID and which ones are just coincidence.
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