(January 11, 2022 at 9:28 pm)Helios Wrote:(January 11, 2022 at 8:58 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: TMI shit aside, there is, in fact, a way to test how much of these side effects are coindidence and how much of them are caused by the vaccine. And here's an example of how they did it.And IA will simply respond "but it's not zero"
Case in point: some people in the trials for the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines ended up getting something called Bell's Palsy, a (temporary) paralysis of the muscles in the face. Alarm bells are probably going off in your head, but before you do it, here are the numbers.
In the Pfizer trials, 4 people out of a total of 43,000 got it. Odds of getting it from Pfizer: 1 in 10750
In the Moderna Trials, 3 people who got the vaccine (plus one who didn't) got it out of a total of 30,000. Odds of getting it from Moderna: 1 in 7500, (1 in 10,000 if you don't count the guy who got it from the placebo)
And for the control, in America, 40,000 people develop it every year out of a population (Estimated in 2020) of 328 million. Odds of getting it generally: 1 in 8200.
If there were some causal relationship, the chances of getting it would probably have to be significantly higher than normal. And, in this case, the only way I could get the numbers higher than normal was if I counted the case Moderna got from the one guy who only got the placebo. Hell, if I counted all eight and combined them into one number, it'd still be lower than the control (1 in 9125). So, in this case, you actually have less of a chance of getting it from the vaccine than normally. This does not sound like a good correlation.
I'm sure there's more to it when scientists test whether or not there's a causative factor (or even much of a correlation), but this is a good place to start understanding how people figure out which side effects could be caused by COVID and which ones are just coincidence.![]()
You would have to be pretty desperate to make such an irrational counterargument
And if IA makes such a response, it'll only prove he has no idea what he's talking about. Just like the time he insisted George Floyd's killing was in accordance with the guidelines of reasonable force, even after practically everyone up the chain of command from Chauvin testified and every single one said "No it isn't."
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