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Modal ontological argument
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Modal ontological argument
I recently came upon William Lane Craig's addition to the ontological argument which is called "Modal ontological argument" that "proves" God's existence.

According to Wikipedia, it goes:

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It is possible that a maximally great being exists.

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If it is possible that a maximally great being exists, then a maximally great being exists in some possible world.

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If a maximally great being exists in some possible world, then it exists in every possible world.

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If a maximally great being exists in every possible world, then it exists in the actual world.

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If a maximally great being exists in the actual world, then a maximally great being exists.

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Therefore, a maximally great being exists.

Umm, hello. Notice the claim in 3 & 4 "in some possible world", I mean WTF are these "other worlds" he is talking about?

Is it like a multiverse? Because Craig usually mocks the idea of a multiverse.
Like in the video below (after 2 minutes mark), he says he is highly skeptical we are living in a multiverse, that if we were living in a multiverse everything should look different (like rabbits would be wearing pink hats and perpetual motion machines would work), but the real reason he hates multiverse is because he feels it robs him of a "prime mover" and therefore his profession as a theologian is redundant.

https://youtu.be/bkpEzOM2gIc

So could it be that WLC is just another dishonest theist who changes his worldviews according to the argument he is trying to push, or is he just high on bullshit and spewing phrases like "other worlds" because his followers don't really listen to what he says but just nod their heads?
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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Modal ontological argument - by Fake Messiah - February 1, 2022 at 10:43 am
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