RE: Illustrating the burden of proof - pay me!
February 4, 2022 at 4:02 pm
(This post was last modified: February 4, 2022 at 4:12 pm by The Architect Of Fate.)
Quote:I wish people took the Principle of Sufficient reason as seriously as they did the burden of proof. They seem like two sides of the same coin to me.Principle of Isn't Sufficient and is used by people who just want to dodge having any actual evidence of the beliefs
Quote:To me it seems like an example of both sides avoiding real discussion.Nah its an example of one side spewing bullshit and the other side not falling for it. There is no further discussion.
Quote:Burden of proof" is a legal term and is seldom useful in talking about metaphysics. Thinking adults who want an honest discussion should have reasons for their positions, and be willing to state these reasons. This applies to religious people and atheists alike.Nope, it's a commonsense principle that is useful for anything and there are dishonest or non-adult about demanding people who spew unsupported bullocks back it up or shut up. Nor is the person who is calling out the BS under any obligation to take a position other than the BS spewers inability to support his.
Quote:For example, if your friendly neighborhood Christian asserts "God loves you!" You might respond "Ha! prove it! That's on you! Can't do it, can you!?" I suppose this might feel good if your goal is to "win" somehow.No, it's an example of one person spewing rubbish and the other person being totally reasonable. Sorry if the Christain doesn't like that.
Quote:But it makes a better, more productive discussion if you explain to him the reasons why you find his claim unpersuasive. As a thinking adult, you will surely have reasons.Nope, you are under no obligation to take a position it the theist backs up his claim then he best not go around making claims. There is nothing un-adult about that. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it bad.
Quote:This is assuming you want to have a good-faith discussion, which I realize often isn't the case on the Internet.Good faith doesn't require you to take a position either can defend his beliefs with evidence or he can't.
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“No matter what men think, abortion is a fact of life. Women have always had them; they always have and they always will. Are they going to have good ones or bad ones? Will the good ones be reserved for the rich, while the poor women go to quacks?”
–SHIRLEY CHISHOLM
