Covid 19 conspiracies dump

[Irreligious Atheist]

The vaccines likely would have been a route to herd immunity if enough people actually took them reach herd immunity.  With Delta, it would have been something like 80%, so if 20% refused to take it, we wouldn’t reach it.

And, bear in mind, a lot of the “misinformation” that Sung, Khem, and I posted was backed up by peer-reviewed research into the vaccine. And when you tried the same thing instead of people just talking shit on YouTube, you managed to conveniently misread the results of the study.

Also, unlike you, I tend to draw a difference between information that’s out of date and outright misinformation. A lot of “the narrative” worked well for the first variants, but given that omicron was different from the alpha and delta variants, some things had to change to work.

To quote John Maynard Keynes (allegedly) “when the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do sir?” The mainstream narrative changes because we find out more about the diseases, either because time passes and things become clearer, or because a new variant comes along and changes the rules. And what has your lot (and if not exactly your lot, the lot you’ve fallen in with) been doing about the pandemic? Well, since a few weeks after shit got real, you’ve been doing everything in your power to downplay how serious it is and decry any and all measures to try and contain the spread. I suppose it might mean you’ve been more consistent over the last two years, but consistency is only a virtue if you aren’t a total fuck-up.

You're just guessing when it comes to herd immunity coming from these vaccines. Herd immunity from mass infections is far, far more likely as Omicron is appearing to be the best "vaccine" so far. It appears that they BS'd people to coerce more people into getting vaccinated by lying about herd immunity. And people like Fauci are still being anti-scientific by refusing to take natural immunity into account when it comes to vaccine mandates. Fauci is a politician. It's not his job to give us the truth. It's his job to continue pushing the broken narrative.

And yes, thank you. Information changes and evolves during a quickly evolving situation like the one we are in. All the more reason to allow debate between different scientists and doctors online, and not censor these people. You don't get an accurate, true consensus in a rapidly evolving situation by shutting down one side of the debate. That's called a fake, manufactured consensus. "Follow the science" is a deeply, deeply religious statement. I refuse to "follow the science". I follow the scientific method, not "the science" that the priest class hands down to the peasants who can't think for themselves.

Sungala claimed that it was a lie that natural immunity is better than vaccination, and he agreed that scientists spreading this "misinformation" should be banned off of twitter and places like that, because that "misinformation" was harmful to people. Well, those supposed harmful lies actually turned out to be true. Sungala heralded his supposed "facts" as "the science" and "the truth", and his "the science" turned out to be a sham. Sungala wanted to shut down scientific debate and discussion because it offended his sensibilities. He wanted to censor the truth. His whole house of cards crumbles when the things he wants to censor turn out to be true. "Follow the science" is the most anti-scientific phrase I've ever heard.

And of course there are a lot of fucked up people on the vaccine hesitant side. People who think the vaccine is a bio weapon, or this or that. The establishment has a fair deal of blame to take on when it comes to creating these types of people, and the Q Anon types. When Fox News is a propaganda arm for the Rs and most other news stations are propaganda arms for the Ds, people are going to say f this, and look elsewhere for their news, and much of the time, they're going to run to conspiracy theories, Q Anon BS, and thinking government psy-ops are all over the place and Sandy Hook didn't happen and etc. Mainstream media lied to these vulnerable people, so they went online and found another lie that they enjoyed better and went with that. Why do I support even Alex Jones and Holocaust deniers being able to spout their shit on social media? Because first they came for Alex Jones, and then they came for Hassan Piker, TJ Kirk, etc and even one of Kyle Kulinski's podcasts with Rogan has now been taken down. And I was called crazy, but I knew all of this would happen. It was beyond obvious to anyone truly paying attention to the agenda. If you want less Q Anoner's and people who think the vaccine is a bio weapon, maybe the mainstream should give people an actual reason to trust them. You expect people to respect and believe health organizations like the WHO when the WHO is doing sham investigations into China that even the Biden admin said was a sham? So yeah, I'm certainly not willing to stand behind everyone on "my side" of the vaccine mandate debate, and we can agree that there is a lot of bad shit in there, but even if they have come to the right conclusion (being anti-mandate) for the wrong reasons, I'm still glad they are anti-mandate because that is the moral position to be taking here imo. I bet you're against the stopping and frisking of black people, even though doing so could save some lives by getting guns off the streets. I bet you are against the government putting cameras in everyone's homes, even if doing so could put away domestic abusers and perhaps save some women's lives. Our liberties matter, even if someone not getting that jab might make their society a little bit worse in the short run. In the long run, society is far better when we don't lose those liberties.