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Subsequent truths
RE: Subsequent truths
(November 22, 2011 at 7:19 am)aleialoura Wrote:
(November 21, 2011 at 7:47 pm)Godschild Wrote:


That's what you say, but I seem to understand what the word 'rapture' means, while you seem to have no idea whatsoever.

Quote:You still have not shown me the word rapture in scripture, I doubt you even know what some christians mean by rapture, you should learn more about christianity before you try to dismiss it. What you have shown is the second coming and it has nothing to do with what some christians say about the rapture. After the second coming that's it, no more chances, judgement is on.

aleialoura Wrote:That's because 'rapture' is an English word, used to describe Jesus coming back, and taking all his believers with him back to Heaven. Get it? The bible wasn't written in English. No such word exists in Hebrew. The fact that you need that explained to you, and that you claim I have trouble understanding things is amusing.

Info for you, the NT was written in Greek not Hebrew. There is no word for rapture in Greek to my knowledge and since the word rapture is not in scripture then tell me where is it's relevance to scriptures. Some christians believe that Christ will return and take all the believers (the church) out of the world before the tribulation. With this kind of reasoning Christ would have to return a third time and no where in scripture is that mentioned, the believers (church) will go through the tribulation, there is no mention of the church being rapture before the tribulation.

aleiloura Wrote:I spent my entire childhood in Sunday school, and I have actually read the bible. I was a christian for most of my life, so I understand perfectly well the details of christianity. The second coming and "the rapture" are mutually exclusive because that is the reason Jesus is coming back- to enrapture the believers, and send the nonbelievers to an eternal lake of fire.

Why did you give up your christian life? You know that reading the Bible and studying it are quite different. You are correct about the second coming, however as I explained above the supposed rapture and the second coming are two different things.

aleiloura Wrote:You say "some christians" as if there are some christians who believe the wrong thing, and I know you believe that, because I have witnessed you express those opinions. How do you know you're the right kind of christian? Who is to judge? I thought that was your god's job, but you seem to presume yourself qualified. Does Jesus know you're making his decisions for him?

They are as I explained above. A study of scripture shows us they are wrong, that's why I harp about studying scripture and not just reading the Bible. One must take all relevant passages on a subject and study what is being said, those who do not (I'm speaking of christians) find that others will mislead them because those others want to make scripture say what they want it to, more of a feel good thing in my opinion. As far as myself being the right kind of christian, all I know to say is I try to live as God would have me to and I'm sure I do that poorly. God is the Judge. I state what I know about scripture, I study scripture and see where some are wrong. Do I know all things about scripture not hardly, have lots and lots to learn, that's why I continue to study under the guidance of the Holy Spirit.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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Subsequent truths - by chadster1976 - November 10, 2011 at 9:07 am
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