(November 21, 2011 at 9:56 pm)Norfolk And Chance Wrote:(November 21, 2011 at 7:47 pm)Godschild Wrote: No, that's about the craziest thing you could have said. If an arm was grown back on a man praying for that miracle, then since that has never happened to a person before you would have the proof you want and that would eliminate faith.
NAC Wrote:It would be a miracle. Bring it on.
Also, what is wrong with eliminating faith in god in favour of proving god through such a miracle? god seemingly exists just for us to worship him, that wouldn't change...
OK let's look at this in a different way, you believe the NT is a bunch of fairytales, if this is so why would the writers not have included such things as amputees having their limbs restored. There are stories about shriveled limbs being restored, the dead raised from death, paraplegics made to walk and ect. Don't you think they would have mentioned a restored limb that was missing, this would have been very convincing evidence, evidence that so many seem to need and that is why amputees do not have their limbs restored, God requires faith to come to know Him. Through faith one comes to know God in a personal way, that's how He wants it to be and it is His decision.
Quote:God does not necessarily grow back these parts on animals, it is a biological condition for these animals
NAC Wrote:I see, how can YOU differentiate between biological and god given? See that question is easy for me because in my realm only biological exists. For you, you've got an either or dilemma.
No dilemma for me God created this into these animals, God setup this biological condition.
Quote:get real God doesn't desire the worship of animals as those you mentioned
NAC Wrote:How do you KNOW with such certainty to say "get real"? Don't tell me it says so in that book.
There's more than one way to know, the best way, God does not say anything about animals worshiping Him, the scriptures are directed at mankind and man is the one who God gave a soul. Christ came to die for man not animals, read the scriptures it's easy to see, so easy you do not need to study them to determine this.
Quote:and you can't know or not know if these animals know there is a God
NAC Wrote:I love it. You claim to know god doesn't require the worship of salamanders, then immediately claim I can't know if salamanders know there's a god (a quick guess from me - no they wouldn't)
Well I do not know if they do, I would guess they do not. Knowing God exist and worshiping God are two different things.....apples and oranges.
You can claim knowledge and I can't. That sums you up. Arrogant as well as deluded. And you're a child of god? Hahahahahahahahahaha!
(November 21, 2011 at 7:47 pm)Godschild Wrote: After the second coming that's it, no more chances, judgement is on.
NAC Wrote:
Bring it. I'd die laughing if you were refused the golden ticket because you are a nasty piece of work, and I ascended just because I was a good boy.
See, god will look after good people and belief in him does not necessarily qualify you as a good person, only as a believer. Obviously I just made it all up, but it looks good, seems much more moral, and I'll bet you it's just as likely as your version to be the truth.
Not worried about the first part of your reply, ain't going to happen. There is nothing hidden in this statement so don't try to find one.
The second part is no better than the first, in God's eye no one is good, only through Christ are we saved.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
