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Existentialism
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RE: Existentialism
(March 21, 2022 at 8:33 am)Istvan Wrote: the human being needs to realize that we are nothing except what we make of ourselves, so we need to define ourselves in terms of the lack of what we wish to become and thereby disclose Being. And all this deciding and intending is nothing without action.

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I suspect that in Existentialist books there is a great deal said about facticity, or thrownness, and exactly where we can draw the lines of what is a situation we are thrown into, and what is chosen by us. And then we have to ask to what degree our essence -- or let's say "that which we truly are" -- is a part of this thrownness or something we freely choose. 

So obviously we are born with certain kinds of bodies. We need oxygen, that's not a choice. We see only a limited range of the color spectrum. 
We might say that these givens are inevitable, but "what we really are" is what we make of ourselves within these limits. 

This would be a pretty unpopular thing to say to gay or trans people these days. "Born this way" has been a slogan for gay people for a while now. It's verboten to say that being gay is a choice. Yet I think that a person's sexuality is unquestionably a part of what they truly are. 

From Lou Andreas Salome, friend of Nietzsche, lover of Rilke, student and debate partner of Freud:

Quote:The psyche is an archive, culture denotes inhibition, memory is weaker than forgetfulness, perception works to prevent seeing too much and intellection to prevent understanding too much, a manifest virtue is the obverse of a latent vice, and one’s sexuality informs the highest reaches of one’s mind.

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So it seems to me that one's sexuality is a significant part of one's essence, yet is not chosen.

Obviously we can choose what we do with our sexuality. How we express or repress it. These are defining choices that we make, yet a fully repressed sexuality doesn't change the fact that one is essentially a person of that sexuality. The Fates have decreed that I am neither gay nor trans, but (without going into the sordid details) there's no choice that in my life my sexuality has been an essential element of what I truly am. I also suspect that a life of Existentialist Good Faith, authenticity in regard to oneself, would demand honesty about one's [unchosen] sexuality. Repressing it might be a valid and moral choice, but pretending it's otherwise would not. 

So I suspect that like all slogans, "existence precedes essence" has some fairly important exceptions. 




Thank you for bringing this up. It's been fascinating to think about.
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Messages In This Thread
Existentialism - by Istvan - March 19, 2022 at 9:15 am
RE: Existentialism - by vulcanlogician - March 19, 2022 at 9:33 am
RE: Existentialism - by Istvan - March 19, 2022 at 9:44 am
RE: Existentialism - by Nay_Sayer - March 19, 2022 at 10:41 am
RE: Existentialism - by brewer - March 19, 2022 at 10:51 am
RE: Existentialism - by Ahriman - March 19, 2022 at 11:36 am
RE: Existentialism - by Istvan - March 19, 2022 at 12:01 pm
RE: Existentialism - by brewer - March 19, 2022 at 12:54 pm
RE: Existentialism - by Istvan - March 19, 2022 at 1:06 pm
RE: Existentialism - by vulcanlogician - March 19, 2022 at 7:44 pm
RE: Existentialism - by Istvan - March 20, 2022 at 6:56 pm
RE: Existentialism - by Angrboda - March 20, 2022 at 6:59 pm
RE: Existentialism - by Istvan - March 20, 2022 at 8:23 pm
RE: Existentialism - by Angrboda - March 20, 2022 at 8:52 pm
RE: Existentialism - by vulcanlogician - March 20, 2022 at 7:48 pm
RE: Existentialism - by Angrboda - March 19, 2022 at 9:49 am
RE: Existentialism - by Istvan - March 19, 2022 at 10:16 am
RE: Existentialism - by The Grand Nudger - March 19, 2022 at 12:53 pm
RE: Existentialism - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - March 19, 2022 at 1:02 pm
RE: Existentialism - by The Grand Nudger - March 19, 2022 at 1:03 pm
RE: Existentialism - by The Grand Nudger - March 19, 2022 at 1:11 pm
RE: Existentialism - by Istvan - March 19, 2022 at 1:42 pm
RE: Existentialism - by Neo-Scholastic - March 19, 2022 at 2:13 pm
RE: Existentialism - by Istvan - March 19, 2022 at 3:26 pm
RE: Existentialism - by Neo-Scholastic - March 19, 2022 at 10:02 pm
RE: Existentialism - by Belacqua - March 20, 2022 at 5:42 am
RE: Existentialism - by Istvan - March 20, 2022 at 8:57 am
RE: Existentialism - by Belacqua - March 20, 2022 at 9:42 pm
RE: Existentialism - by Mister Agenda - March 22, 2022 at 9:20 am
RE: Existentialism - by Istvan - March 22, 2022 at 10:40 am
RE: Existentialism - by Belacqua - March 22, 2022 at 4:24 pm
RE: Existentialism - by HappySkeptic - March 22, 2022 at 5:09 pm
RE: Existentialism - by Belacqua - March 22, 2022 at 6:33 pm
RE: Existentialism - by Mister Agenda - March 23, 2022 at 4:51 pm
RE: Existentialism - by vulcanlogician - March 20, 2022 at 3:40 pm
RE: Existentialism - by Disagreeable - March 20, 2022 at 6:59 am
RE: Existentialism - by Belacqua - March 20, 2022 at 7:08 am
RE: Existentialism - by Neo-Scholastic - March 20, 2022 at 3:45 pm
RE: Existentialism - by Neo-Scholastic - March 20, 2022 at 9:54 pm
RE: Existentialism - by Belacqua - March 21, 2022 at 5:28 am
RE: Existentialism - by Istvan - March 21, 2022 at 8:33 am
RE: Existentialism - by Belacqua - March 22, 2022 at 1:00 am
RE: Existentialism - by The Grand Nudger - March 22, 2022 at 10:48 am
RE: Existentialism - by Istvan - March 22, 2022 at 11:05 am
RE: Existentialism - by The Grand Nudger - March 22, 2022 at 11:18 am
RE: Existentialism - by Neo-Scholastic - March 22, 2022 at 4:41 pm
RE: Existentialism - by vulcanlogician - March 22, 2022 at 5:50 pm
RE: Existentialism - by The Grand Nudger - March 22, 2022 at 4:56 pm
RE: Existentialism - by Neo-Scholastic - March 22, 2022 at 5:30 pm
RE: Existentialism - by The Grand Nudger - March 22, 2022 at 8:35 pm
RE: Existentialism - by Neo-Scholastic - March 22, 2022 at 8:49 pm
RE: Existentialism - by The Grand Nudger - March 22, 2022 at 8:51 pm
RE: Existentialism - by Belacqua - March 23, 2022 at 1:53 am
RE: Existentialism - by Neo-Scholastic - March 23, 2022 at 4:57 pm
RE: Existentialism - by Belacqua - March 31, 2022 at 8:10 am
RE: Existentialism - by Angrboda - March 31, 2022 at 11:12 am
RE: Existentialism - by Macoleco - April 2, 2022 at 3:39 am
RE: Existentialism - by Belacqua - April 2, 2022 at 4:27 am



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