New religion

[The Grand Nudger]

What I mean with objective measure of morality is some standard independent of our subjective judgement of issues. As an example, the Bible acts as an objective measure for me – which is independent of what I regard as “proper. This is also independent of what others think.
Some of the issues that “modern man” has an issue with is for instance the “husband/wife”relationship. The Bible states that the husband is the head of the wife. Now this does not go down too well with many. From my perspective -taking the relevant verses into consideration, it is a wonderful relationship where the husband accepts responsibility for his wife and serves her as Jesus came to serve. (Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it.)
There have been many that regard this as justification for treating their wives as “slaves” and not showing respect. This may happen when there is selective reading of verses and not interpretation based on wider understanding of relevant topics- and I would like to suggest also an improper spirit.
Seeing that the issue of slaves were raised, and a topic of a recent a sermon at our church, the following will be guidelines for employer/employee relationships.
Col 3:22 Servants, obey in all things your masters according to the flesh; not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but in singleness of heart, fearing God:
Col 4:1 Masters, give unto your servants that which is just and equal; knowing that ye also have a Master in heaven.

Attributing something to god doesn't make it objective, nor does attributing something to the bible make it objective. Your next bit here has alot to say about this actually. Your interpretations of these passages (and the entirety of the bible) are equally selective, and subjective. If one religious shitwit says his book says he can beat his wife and another says the same book tells him he can't, neither of you anything to offer as to why I should take either of you seriously. Employers aren't masters, employees aren't servants. Long story short, you probably shouldn't be using fairy tales as an ultimate authority with regards to how you live your life. Are you actually incapable of figuring this shit out on your own? Did you need a book to tell you not to stick a knife in the guy next to you...seriously?

“How can you judge others by your standards as they are not accepted as "universally applicable” or use your criteria to judge what should generally be accepted as morally right? This is the predicament.
It is now accepted that children may be aborted – and this has the result that babies which are born live (botched abortion) apparently sometimes live as long as a full shift without any attention being paid to them, is “legal” but really immoral. Please have a look at some of the footage available on what happens during an abortion and tell me if you think that is morally acceptable.

Simple, we do it all the time, it's called citizenship and law. Nice going by the way, working in a talking point about abortion.

I agree that you “surrender” your judgment on issues to another “person”. I think you hit the nail on the head. We want to do it “our way”, whatever that means- and who’s way is it? We do not accept that which God has proclaimed. It is much like the owner of a car deciding to what pressure he should inflate his tires, without reference to the guidelines of the manufacturer.

Oh, so we should do it your way? God proclaims nothing. Your god doesn't exist. You're the one doing the proclaiming.

What is the principle then to decide what is right and wrong? Is man the eventual judge as you seem to suggest? Knowing mankind, you will forgive me for really having my doubts at the outcome. None of the aspects that you have put forward as being “better” has a rational basis for deciding it is better. You have failed to produce any rationale. Even having a standard is no reason for accepting that as the proper standard. If human judgment was the eventual criterium, it has shown itself to have poor prognoses as it keeps changing. God’s law does not change and does not have to. We just don't like it and especially not being told.

See anything else on this rock contemplating good and evil? We're not just the "eventual judge" we're the only judge, because we're the only thing here that this concept has any meaning for whatsoever (as far as we can tell). That we aren't very good at it is obvious, but why would we be? We're still human beings, evil or no, which is to say, still animals. So we fall short of not being complete savages...unsurprising.

We all know what is better as we have been given a conscience. We want peace, honesty, integrity, love for our neighbour. These are the things that the Bible teaches. The problem now is that we wish to do that which is contrary to God’s commands.

To bad that's not all the bible teaches eh? You'd almost have an argument if it weren't for all the garbage you've conveniently left out. Oh, by the way, god commands nothing. It's a fairy tale making commands. I'm wondering why you would comply with the demands of a fairy tale. Maybe you should let down your hair (rapunzel) or give me your firstborn in return for gold (rumplestiltskin). Sounds ridiculous? Sure as hell does.

On the issue of better or worse, makes me think of the comment I heard that once upon a time contracts were closed with the shake of a hand as there was trust and integrity. Nowadays not even a contract drawn up by a professional is always adequate protection. You would have experienced that in your business as well.

Contracts made by a shake of the hand were broken as often as contracts made by documentation. To suggest otherwise is naivety in the highest degree.

Just one last comment. Even if you accepted all of my arguments, nobody would have gained anything. None of us. The issue is not the argument. The issue is Jesus Christ, who was by all accounts having all his faculties, and claiming to be the Son of God and equal to God, laying down his life so you could have eternal life in fulfillment of the prophecy :
Isa 53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
God has shown his love towards you in a remarkable way. He has paid the price for your transgressions, however serious it may be.

Fairy tales, and sanctimonious shit. I don't accept a human sacrifice, or a scapegoat to be tortured for the things I do, good or bad. So you can take this "sacrifice" and shove it up your ass. It's the sickest thing that I can possibly imagine. Tell you what, go ahead and send me to hell and send jesus back to earth, he got shafted and it's not going to be on account of me, thanks.