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[Serious] Fallacies & Strategies
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RE: Fallacies & Strategies
(June 3, 2022 at 5:53 pm)Klorophyll Wrote: Not having access to the relevant facts leads to arguments from ignorance, this much should be clear.. the well-known logical argument from evil is a textbook example, as the premise "There is no good reason for God not to prevent all evil" can't be proven at all, unless one knows all the true propositions about God and evil. And still, many very abled philosophers tried this argument, and this alone is very shocking. I mean, what were they thinking? Obviously, no one can prove than God should or shouldn't do x or prevent x, precisely because no one can have access to all the relevant facts. You need to be omniscient in order to assess the actions of an omniscient being, the same way one needs to be a surgeon to understand why surgeons sometimes intentionally severe arteries and cut chests open.

But sure, we don't need to know everything to form an argument. this implies however that the argument will necessarily have a modest conclusion, not the kind of conclusions that atheists usually have in mind: like God doesn't exist, nature explains everything, etc.

As for comparing beliefs to flavors of icecream... I don't think that's fair -I don't think you think it's fair, either-. Choosing a bad or unusual flavor doesn't have any implications, unlike belief systems that people adhere to, sometimes very strongly.

If humans cannot judge god evil because humans lack omniscience, it follows that they also cannot judge him to be good, precisely because humans lack the knowledge needed for that judgement too.

That means that all this yammering about "god is good" etc is just so much blather-- according to your own logic, you worship a god who may or may not be good or evil, and you too cannot know one way or the other.




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Fallacies & Strategies - by John 6IX Breezy - May 28, 2022 at 1:11 pm
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by The Valkyrie - May 28, 2022 at 2:19 pm
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by Anomalocaris - May 28, 2022 at 8:20 pm
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by Angrboda - May 28, 2022 at 3:17 pm
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - May 28, 2022 at 3:44 pm
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by The Grand Nudger - May 28, 2022 at 8:13 pm
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - May 29, 2022 at 4:47 am
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by Belacqua - May 29, 2022 at 7:14 am
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by Fake Messiah - May 29, 2022 at 7:34 am
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by Neo-Scholastic - May 29, 2022 at 7:54 pm
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by Fake Messiah - May 29, 2022 at 9:04 pm
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by polymath257 - May 30, 2022 at 1:14 pm
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by Belacqua - May 31, 2022 at 2:03 am
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by Fake Messiah - May 31, 2022 at 2:35 am
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by R00tKiT - June 3, 2022 at 3:02 pm
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by Fake Messiah - June 6, 2022 at 12:01 am
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by The Architect Of Fate - June 6, 2022 at 12:35 am
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by GUBU - June 4, 2022 at 5:30 am
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by Anomalocaris - May 30, 2022 at 1:23 pm
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by The Grand Nudger - May 30, 2022 at 1:32 pm
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by arewethereyet - May 30, 2022 at 1:34 pm
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by The Grand Nudger - June 3, 2022 at 3:33 pm
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by R00tKiT - June 3, 2022 at 4:18 pm
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by Neo-Scholastic - June 3, 2022 at 10:45 pm
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by LadyForCamus - June 4, 2022 at 2:45 pm
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by Deesse23 - June 5, 2022 at 3:03 am
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by Deesse23 - June 5, 2022 at 2:55 am
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by The Architect Of Fate - June 5, 2022 at 3:50 am
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by The Grand Nudger - June 3, 2022 at 4:20 pm
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RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by The Grand Nudger - June 3, 2022 at 4:51 pm
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by R00tKiT - June 3, 2022 at 5:53 pm
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by GUBU - June 4, 2022 at 5:33 am
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by Thumpalumpacus - June 5, 2022 at 2:30 am
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by R00tKiT - June 5, 2022 at 8:08 am
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by Deesse23 - June 5, 2022 at 8:23 am
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RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by Thumpalumpacus - June 5, 2022 at 6:15 pm
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by The Architect Of Fate - June 5, 2022 at 6:26 pm
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by R00tKiT - June 5, 2022 at 6:35 pm
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by Thumpalumpacus - June 5, 2022 at 7:21 pm
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by R00tKiT - June 6, 2022 at 1:39 pm
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by Deesse23 - June 6, 2022 at 2:56 am
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by The Architect Of Fate - June 6, 2022 at 7:43 am
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by Deesse23 - June 6, 2022 at 7:49 am
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by Deesse23 - June 5, 2022 at 9:05 am
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by Thumpalumpacus - June 5, 2022 at 11:20 am
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by The Grand Nudger - June 3, 2022 at 6:25 pm
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by R00tKiT - June 4, 2022 at 6:20 pm
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by GUBU - June 5, 2022 at 5:15 am
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by Neo-Scholastic - June 3, 2022 at 9:28 pm
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by The Architect Of Fate - June 3, 2022 at 11:11 pm
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by The Architect Of Fate - June 3, 2022 at 11:12 pm
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by The Grand Nudger - June 4, 2022 at 7:46 am
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by The Architect Of Fate - June 4, 2022 at 3:06 pm
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by The Grand Nudger - June 4, 2022 at 6:50 pm
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by The Grand Nudger - June 5, 2022 at 3:07 am
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by Deesse23 - June 5, 2022 at 3:16 am
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by The Grand Nudger - June 5, 2022 at 3:25 am
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RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by Deesse23 - June 5, 2022 at 4:27 am
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by The Grand Nudger - June 5, 2022 at 4:34 am
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by The Grand Nudger - June 5, 2022 at 7:39 am
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by The Grand Nudger - June 5, 2022 at 8:14 am
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by The Grand Nudger - June 5, 2022 at 8:49 am
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by The Grand Nudger - June 5, 2022 at 9:08 am
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by The Architect Of Fate - June 5, 2022 at 5:22 pm
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by The Architect Of Fate - June 5, 2022 at 4:00 pm
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by The Grand Nudger - June 5, 2022 at 7:08 pm
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by Belacqua - June 6, 2022 at 2:20 am
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by polymath257 - June 6, 2022 at 9:07 am
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by Angrboda - June 6, 2022 at 9:11 am
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by The Grand Nudger - June 6, 2022 at 2:37 am
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by Anomalocaris - June 6, 2022 at 3:23 am
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by The Grand Nudger - June 6, 2022 at 4:21 am
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by The Architect Of Fate - June 6, 2022 at 7:51 am
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by The Grand Nudger - June 6, 2022 at 10:26 am
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by The Grand Nudger - June 6, 2022 at 2:33 pm
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by R00tKiT - June 6, 2022 at 4:20 pm
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by LinuxGal - August 9, 2023 at 10:51 pm
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by The Grand Nudger - June 6, 2022 at 4:26 pm
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by R00tKiT - June 6, 2022 at 4:35 pm
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by bennyboy - June 11, 2022 at 8:10 pm
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by Deesse23 - June 12, 2022 at 1:35 am
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by The Grand Nudger - June 6, 2022 at 5:09 pm
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by arewethereyet - August 10, 2023 at 6:02 am

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