Proving What We Already "Know"

[bennyboy]

If you want an organized study of what things are like, then you have to consider what things are like, and draw inferences.  What are ideas like?  How do we categorize them?   How do we control them to our advantage?  What is it like to experience XYZ?  What should be done in order to experience XYZ?  If a "tree" is a compositie idea, of what is it composed?

Well, that certainly fails the criteria of objectivity.  Introspection is purely subjective.  It also fails with respect to noted observations..and in fact the fundamental concept behind any ideas of a veil to pierce, that the way things seem is not interchangeable with they way they are.  Brains are amazing things. 

I disagree that introspection "fails the criteria of objectivity." It fails the criteria of MUTUAL objectivity required by science. Meditation is very much about treating ideas or perceptions as objects-- watching them, controlling them, understanding them. You say it's subjective because it's mind, and as far as a brain-watcher goes, it's all nonsense happening in a black box.