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Dualism
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RE: Dualism
Ok, but the thing is though: knowledge and belief are separate fr0d0. You can believe something without knowing it. But you can't know something without believing it.

I can believe something and be wrong about it. But I can't know something and dis[i]believe the fact [i]I know it- If I know it I have to believe it.

The problem is here that I define the world "Belief" differently to this. Now, how I see it is that - "Faith" is belief without evidence, Faith is irrational belief. You cannot believe in a fact 'on faith' because facts have strong support of the truth of the matter and faith does not. So - beliefs can be rational or... irrational. You cannot believe in a fact 'on faith'. You can believe in facts however; if it's not on faith but on evidence. If if you actually have logic to your belief.

So you can believe in facts or myths, but you can't "have faith" in facts. Since if they were facts it couldn't be faith.

Belief I do not define the same as faith then, you see. Beliefs can be rational or irrational. Since faith is always irrational IMO...I mean when defined as nothing more and nothing less...than simply:"Belief without evidence".

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Dualism - by Tabby - June 13, 2009 at 9:37 pm
RE: Dualism - by Edwardo Piet - June 13, 2009 at 10:02 pm
RE: Dualism - by LEDO - June 14, 2009 at 6:19 am
RE: Dualism - by Tabby - June 14, 2009 at 2:12 pm
RE: Dualism - by Edwardo Piet - June 14, 2009 at 9:05 am
RE: Dualism - by Darwinian - June 14, 2009 at 9:25 am
RE: Dualism - by Edwardo Piet - June 14, 2009 at 1:09 pm
RE: Dualism - by Demonaura - June 14, 2009 at 10:41 am
RE: Dualism - by dagda - June 14, 2009 at 1:39 pm
RE: Dualism - by Kyuuketsuki - June 14, 2009 at 3:47 pm
RE: Dualism - by Edwardo Piet - June 14, 2009 at 8:37 pm
RE: Dualism - by fr0d0 - June 23, 2009 at 3:06 am
RE: Dualism - by moleque - June 15, 2009 at 4:32 am
RE: Dualism - by dagda - June 15, 2009 at 12:47 pm
RE: Dualism - by Edwardo Piet - June 15, 2009 at 5:20 pm
RE: Dualism - by dagda - June 16, 2009 at 4:06 pm
RE: Dualism - by Kyuuketsuki - June 16, 2009 at 5:10 pm
RE: Dualism - by Tiberius - June 17, 2009 at 4:22 pm
RE: Dualism - by josef rosenkranz - June 20, 2009 at 12:14 pm
RE: Dualism - by LEDO - June 20, 2009 at 4:45 pm
RE: Dualism - by josef rosenkranz - June 22, 2009 at 12:35 pm
RE: Dualism - by LEDO - June 22, 2009 at 4:57 pm
RE: Dualism - by Edwardo Piet - June 23, 2009 at 12:41 pm
RE: Dualism - by fr0d0 - June 25, 2009 at 4:00 pm
RE: Dualism - by Edwardo Piet - June 25, 2009 at 6:32 pm
RE: Dualism - by fr0d0 - June 25, 2009 at 6:56 pm
RE: Dualism - by Edwardo Piet - June 25, 2009 at 7:15 pm
RE: Dualism - by fr0d0 - June 25, 2009 at 7:39 pm
RE: Dualism - by Edwardo Piet - June 25, 2009 at 11:01 pm
RE: Dualism - by fr0d0 - June 26, 2009 at 3:15 am
RE: Dualism - by Eilonnwy - June 26, 2009 at 9:11 am
RE: Dualism - by fr0d0 - June 26, 2009 at 3:01 pm
RE: Dualism - by Eilonnwy - June 26, 2009 at 3:21 pm
RE: Dualism - by Edwardo Piet - June 26, 2009 at 3:21 pm
RE: Dualism - by fr0d0 - June 26, 2009 at 3:49 pm
RE: Dualism - by Kyuuketsuki - June 26, 2009 at 4:57 pm
RE: Dualism - by Edwardo Piet - June 26, 2009 at 3:56 pm
RE: Dualism - by fr0d0 - June 26, 2009 at 4:04 pm
RE: Dualism - by Edwardo Piet - June 26, 2009 at 4:17 pm
RE: Dualism - by fr0d0 - June 26, 2009 at 4:35 pm
RE: Dualism - by Edwardo Piet - June 26, 2009 at 5:41 pm
RE: Dualism - by LukeMC - June 26, 2009 at 5:33 pm
RE: Dualism - by fr0d0 - June 26, 2009 at 7:00 pm
RE: Dualism - by LukeMC - June 26, 2009 at 7:55 pm
RE: Dualism - by Kyuuketsuki - June 27, 2009 at 12:43 pm
RE: Dualism - by Edwardo Piet - June 26, 2009 at 7:19 pm
RE: Dualism - by Edwardo Piet - June 26, 2009 at 8:20 pm
RE: Dualism - by LukeMC - June 26, 2009 at 8:52 pm
RE: Dualism - by Eilonnwy - June 26, 2009 at 9:03 pm
RE: Dualism - by leo-rcc - June 27, 2009 at 2:54 am
RE: Dualism - by fr0d0 - June 27, 2009 at 3:18 pm
RE: Dualism - by Edwardo Piet - June 27, 2009 at 4:04 pm
RE: Dualism - by fr0d0 - June 27, 2009 at 5:00 pm
RE: Dualism - by Kyuuketsuki - June 27, 2009 at 6:00 pm
RE: Dualism - by Purple Rabbit - June 28, 2009 at 3:32 am
RE: Dualism - by Kyuuketsuki - June 27, 2009 at 4:23 pm
RE: Dualism - by fr0d0 - June 27, 2009 at 6:05 pm
RE: Dualism - by Kyuuketsuki - June 28, 2009 at 6:09 am
RE: Dualism - by Eilonnwy - June 28, 2009 at 12:38 am
RE: Dualism - by fr0d0 - June 28, 2009 at 4:16 am
RE: Dualism - by Purple Rabbit - June 28, 2009 at 3:04 pm
RE: Dualism - by fr0d0 - June 28, 2009 at 4:28 pm
RE: Dualism - by Kyuuketsuki - June 28, 2009 at 5:42 pm
RE: Dualism - by g-mark - June 28, 2009 at 10:59 am
RE: Dualism - by Edwardo Piet - June 28, 2009 at 3:48 pm
RE: Dualism - by Purple Rabbit - June 28, 2009 at 6:16 pm
RE: Dualism - by fr0d0 - June 28, 2009 at 6:50 pm
RE: Dualism - by Purple Rabbit - June 29, 2009 at 1:12 pm
RE: Dualism - by fr0d0 - June 29, 2009 at 4:47 pm
RE: Dualism - by Purple Rabbit - June 29, 2009 at 6:24 pm
RE: Dualism - by fr0d0 - June 30, 2009 at 3:32 pm
RE: Dualism - by Kyuuketsuki - June 30, 2009 at 3:42 pm
RE: Dualism - by Purple Rabbit - June 30, 2009 at 5:23 pm
RE: Dualism - by fr0d0 - July 1, 2009 at 3:53 am
RE: Dualism - by Kyuuketsuki - July 2, 2009 at 4:14 pm
RE: Dualism - by Purple Rabbit - June 30, 2009 at 5:53 pm
RE: Dualism - by Purple Rabbit - June 30, 2009 at 6:53 pm
RE: Dualism - by fr0d0 - June 30, 2009 at 3:53 pm
RE: Dualism - by Kyuuketsuki - June 30, 2009 at 5:28 pm
RE: Dualism - by Giff - July 1, 2009 at 8:43 am
RE: Dualism - by Purple Rabbit - July 1, 2009 at 6:28 pm
RE: Dualism - by fr0d0 - July 2, 2009 at 12:59 pm
RE: Dualism - by Purple Rabbit - July 2, 2009 at 1:23 pm
RE: Dualism - by Purple Rabbit - July 2, 2009 at 5:15 pm
RE: Dualism - by Tiberius - July 1, 2009 at 9:23 pm
RE: Dualism - by fr0d0 - July 2, 2009 at 1:32 pm
RE: Dualism - by Purple Rabbit - July 2, 2009 at 1:43 pm
RE: Dualism - by fr0d0 - July 2, 2009 at 5:41 pm
RE: Dualism - by Purple Rabbit - July 2, 2009 at 6:48 pm
RE: Dualism - by fr0d0 - July 3, 2009 at 12:59 am
RE: Dualism - by Purple Rabbit - July 3, 2009 at 1:34 am
RE: Dualism - by Purple Rabbit - July 3, 2009 at 11:58 am
RE: Dualism - by josef rosenkranz - July 3, 2009 at 1:10 pm
RE: Dualism - by Edwardo Piet - July 2, 2009 at 6:04 pm
RE: Dualism - by Purple Rabbit - July 4, 2009 at 2:49 am
RE: Dualism - by josef rosenkranz - July 5, 2009 at 1:14 pm
RE: Dualism - by Purple Rabbit - July 5, 2009 at 1:40 pm
RE: Dualism - by josef rosenkranz - July 6, 2009 at 12:12 pm
RE: Dualism - by Purple Rabbit - July 6, 2009 at 12:25 pm
RE: Dualism - by Darwinian - July 4, 2009 at 6:19 am
RE: Dualism - by Purple Rabbit - July 4, 2009 at 6:39 am
RE: Dualism - by fr0d0 - July 5, 2009 at 4:13 pm
RE: Dualism - by Purple Rabbit - July 5, 2009 at 5:43 pm
RE: Dualism - by fr0d0 - July 5, 2009 at 6:17 pm
RE: Dualism - by Purple Rabbit - July 5, 2009 at 6:48 pm
RE: Dualism - by Kyuuketsuki - July 6, 2009 at 2:23 pm
RE: Dualism - by josef rosenkranz - July 7, 2009 at 12:16 pm
RE: Dualism - by josef rosenkranz - July 6, 2009 at 1:06 pm
RE: Dualism - by fr0d0 - July 6, 2009 at 2:52 am
RE: Dualism - by Purple Rabbit - July 6, 2009 at 11:49 am
RE: Dualism - by fr0d0 - July 6, 2009 at 2:01 pm
RE: Dualism - by Purple Rabbit - July 6, 2009 at 3:07 pm
RE: Dualism - by fr0d0 - July 6, 2009 at 4:02 pm
RE: Dualism - by Kyuuketsuki - July 6, 2009 at 4:31 pm
RE: Dualism - by Purple Rabbit - July 6, 2009 at 4:19 pm
RE: Dualism - by fr0d0 - July 6, 2009 at 4:49 pm
RE: Dualism - by Purple Rabbit - July 6, 2009 at 4:52 pm
RE: Dualism - by Kyuuketsuki - July 6, 2009 at 5:01 pm
RE: Dualism - by Purple Rabbit - July 6, 2009 at 5:04 pm
RE: Dualism - by fr0d0 - July 6, 2009 at 5:06 pm
RE: Dualism - by Kyuuketsuki - July 6, 2009 at 5:36 pm
RE: Dualism - by fr0d0 - July 6, 2009 at 5:50 pm
RE: Dualism - by Kyuuketsuki - July 7, 2009 at 1:55 am
RE: Dualism - by Darwinian - July 7, 2009 at 2:10 am
RE: Dualism - by Kyuuketsuki - July 7, 2009 at 1:59 pm
RE: Dualism - by josef rosenkranz - July 8, 2009 at 1:11 pm
RE: Dualism - by Kyuuketsuki - July 8, 2009 at 2:49 pm
RE: Dualism - by josef rosenkranz - July 10, 2009 at 12:49 pm
RE: Dualism - by Kyuuketsuki - July 11, 2009 at 4:35 pm
RE: Dualism - by Purple Rabbit - July 6, 2009 at 6:03 pm
RE: Dualism - by fr0d0 - July 7, 2009 at 3:44 am
RE: Dualism - by Purple Rabbit - July 7, 2009 at 1:17 pm
RE: Dualism - by fr0d0 - July 7, 2009 at 2:29 pm
RE: Dualism - by Purple Rabbit - July 7, 2009 at 2:54 pm

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