RE: Supernatural and Atheism
August 29, 2022 at 7:15 am
(This post was last modified: August 29, 2022 at 7:50 am by Eclectic.
Edit Reason: better translation
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(August 29, 2022 at 1:55 am)Belacqua Wrote:(August 28, 2022 at 8:10 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: What is the supernatural?
Nice to see you again! I expect you've had some eventful times recently. I hope that you and yours are all doing well.
Not supernaturally well -- just, you know, as well as can be expected.
I think I've been through this before, but let me type it out here now in a simple way, on the off chance that it might tighten up definitions.
Everything has a nature. The nature of the thing is what it's made of, how it's put together, what its potentials are, what it can do, what's likely to happen to it. All natural stuff.
So there's a badger in my garden. It has the nature of a badger. It does badger stuff. Digs, eats, makes little badgers. It goes crazy for cat food. A zoologist could tell us more -- badgers differ from raccoons in this and that quality, etc. etc. Science tells us what the badger nature is like.
Everything with a nature has things it can't do. The badger can't fly. It can't eat molten lead. It can't write lengthy treatises on early Latin literature. If it did any of these things, those things would be above and beyond its nature. In a word: supernatural.
So "supernatural" means: when a thing does something beyond what its nature is capable of doing.
We are all good scientists who severely doubt that a badger could ever do something supernatural. Therefore we doubt that the supernatural is possible. If we did hear a report of a badger typing out a treatise on early Latin literature on its little laptop, we would almost certainly reject this. It must be a lie, a drug hallucination, etc. Because our way of understanding the world rejects the idea that anything can act in a way over and above its nature, and our beliefs about the nature of things come from accumulations of centuries of scientific observations.
I am not arguing that the supernatural is possible. I am saying that this is the ancient definition of the word, and is still the only one I know which makes sense.
Therefor, so far, two definitions for the supernatural have been expressed by friends in this thread:
One definition is doing something unexpected by a living being: for example, a naked man sitting in a tub of boiling water at a temperature of 100 degrees Celsius for an hour and not getting burned and staying healthy. Or the example of a badger.
Another definition: Somethings that are now unknown to human . For example, the ancient people considered thunder and lightning to be the outcry and fire of God's anger.
Or the weeping blood of the statue of Mary, which is unknown to some people and seems supernatural, but it is a trick by the sculptor.