RE: Russia and Ukraine
September 5, 2022 at 6:08 pm
(This post was last modified: September 5, 2022 at 6:10 pm by Thumpalumpacus.)
(September 5, 2022 at 2:14 pm)Irreligious Atheist Wrote:(September 5, 2022 at 9:02 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: If the Ukrainians are willing to fight for their freedoms, show us how supporting them is immoral. The Russians will not resort to nukes simply for us supplying Ukraine with weaponry, else they would have done so already. For that reason I find your hand-wringing entirely unconvincing. I also find it interesting how closely it mirrors Kremlin threats that have been shown empty thus far.
I just responded to this in my post to Helios, but yes, Ukraine wanted a peace deal, so less death is better imo. You were responding to me talking about shooting down Russian planes rather than supporting them with weaponry, but in that case, us supporting them with weaponry is causing tens of thousands more deaths and we discouraged Ukraine from making a peace deal when they wanted to, and that's why I consider it to be immoral. It's pretty straight forward, I think.
The Ukrainians have chosen to fight for their freedoms. Your little backside in Montreal or Toronto or wherever ... what does that mean to them? They don't want Chamberlain's counsel which you have on offer, obviously. So this whole Chomsky/IA "this is an American stratagem foisted upon them" looks really weak.
(September 5, 2022 at 2:14 pm)Irreligious Atheist Wrote: Also, did everyone buy into George W. Bush's you're either with us or you're against us spiel? That's I think over 5 people now that have spat out George W Bush speak to me.
I haven't written or inferred any such thing, so quit being dishonest placing words into my mouth. Or, alternatively, you can link to the specific post where you think I wrote that.
Oh, that's right, you can't, because I've not done that.
I notice you still haven't explained why supporting Ukrainians in their fight for autonomy, freedom, and life is an immoral act. I trust you'll pull your head out and get to that sometime in the next few months?
Or maybe not. You don't strike me as terribly bright.