(September 7, 2022 at 3:59 pm)Deesse23 Wrote: You showed nothing. You straw manned me and now are going nuh uhh!
My potential explanation is: Someone else, 1k years earlier, a chinese man counted 360 joints as well.
If you want to prove its been a prophecy 1ky after this, then you must rule out the chinese dude being correct, by counting joints of a corpse.
The number 360 you find in ancient texts of eastern religions can simply denote a recurring pattern in some ritual, just like, say, the natural number 666, which the bible associates with the devil or the beast. Nothing tells us somebody actually studied a human skeleton and accurately counted the joints, that's just mental masturbation from your part, not much else.
And no, I don't have to rule out anybody being correct about this number. You still think that simply seeing 360 written in some pre Islam text is enough to rule out a prophecy. I can show you ancient scripture that accidentally agrees with modern physics or molecular biology, this doesn't mean that whoever wrote it really did derive modern theories and verified them experimentally. Similary some random guy writing in a parchment : "360 joints" doesn't mean he did the humble work of counting.
So the essential difference between eastern religious texts and Islamic scripture is that the latter is systematically correct in its statements.
(September 7, 2022 at 3:59 pm)Deesse23 Wrote: Were you looking for other explanations of why a 7th century Arab counts 360 joints?
Sure, a social reformer and a founder of a world religion really decided to go dissect a body and count joints. I must tell you, Deesse, that's one hell of a stretch.
(September 7, 2022 at 3:59 pm)Deesse23 Wrote: Were you considering that he knew of greek or chinese people dissecting bodies and counting joints and potentially coming to the same conclusion as the Arab a thousand years later?
Yes or no?
Yes, ofc, except he had no way to tell whether the chinese guys got the number right or not, and as someone who claims prophethood, it's extremely imprudent to cite this number, it was simply unnecessary for him to bring it up, unless he was absolutely sure of himself.
Let's say I wanted to do some preaching and ordered my followers to repeat some ritual 50 times a day, so I start my speech by : "There are 50 muscles in the human body, if you do xx this exact same number [...] " , as you can see I made a very silly mistake by citing a wrong number and jeopardized my preaching mission, when I could've simply cut to the chase and do the preaching.
(September 7, 2022 at 3:59 pm)Deesse23 Wrote: You claimed it was a prophecy. You have to rule out pre islam medicine being correct, not by chance, but by counting joints a thousand years prior.
GO
good luck
Again, I don't have to rule out anything or anybody being correct. Pre islam medicine is not infallible and the prophet knew that, and he took the risk of citing dozens of facts and numbers without any need to do so. I mean, the prophet's primary message is not to let people know how many joints are there ? isn't it ?