(September 9, 2022 at 2:46 pm)R00tKiT Wrote:First of all, just made up shit, again. Lü Bu Wei explicitly claims that "the human body has 360 joints" . Nothing about rituals, magic numbers or whatever shit you would like to make up for Allah. Which part of "you need to DISPROVE" early findings (1ky pre Islam) of 360 joints did you not understand anyway? Going "nuh uhh, i dont think so", is not nearly sufficient, its not even in the ballpark of any kind of sufficient.(September 7, 2022 at 3:59 pm)Deesse23 Wrote: You showed nothing. You straw manned me and now are going nuh uhh!
My potential explanation is: Someone else, 1k years earlier, a chinese man counted 360 joints as well.
If you want to prove its been a prophecy 1ky after this, then you must rule out the chinese dude being correct, by counting joints of a corpse.
The number 360 you find in ancient texts of eastern religions can simply denote a recurring pattern in some ritual,
(September 9, 2022 at 2:46 pm)R00tKiT Wrote: And no, I don't have to rule out anybody being correct about this number.Yes, you do, that is if you understand the burden of proof.
I have explained it to you numerous times, so here we go again: YOU claim a prophecy. Thus YOU disprove each and every potential alternative explanation, like Lü Bu Wei gathering said knowledge 1ky prior to Islam and thus Islam being able to have knowledge of his finding.
(September 9, 2022 at 2:46 pm)R00tKiT Wrote: You still think that simply seeing 360 written in some pre Islam text is enough to rule out a prophecy.YOU are the one who sees 360 written in some islamic text and thinks its enough to claim prophecy.
I think seeing Lü Bu Wei claiming that the human body has 360 joints 1ky prior to Islam is sufficient reason to think that Islam knew of his findings, thus: Prophecy my ass.
You on the other hand think a fact, claimed in the 7th century, is a prophecy, while said facts could have been established by anyone, anywhere, who had
#1 a corpse
#2 something sharp
#3 the ability to count to 360
and apply #2 on #1 while using #3
Aka: Anyone from the stone or bronze age at least.
(September 9, 2022 at 2:46 pm)R00tKiT Wrote: I can show you ancient scripture that accidentally agrees with modern physics or molecular biology,You are already doing that by constantly massaging your holy book to say what you want, and what science already has found out.
(September 9, 2022 at 2:46 pm)R00tKiT Wrote: this doesn't mean that whoever wrote it really did derive modern theories and verified them experimentally. Similary some random guy writing in a parchment : "360 joints" doesn't mean he did the humble work of counting.Are we going "nuhh uhh" again?
or are you talking about your Hadith?
(September 9, 2022 at 2:46 pm)R00tKiT Wrote: So the essential difference between eastern religious texts and Islamic scripture is that the latter is systematically correct in its statements."Systematically correct"as in claiming to have divine knowledge?
(September 9, 2022 at 2:46 pm)R00tKiT Wrote:Social reformer and founder of world religion, therefore no dissection of bodies, or no knowledge of dissection?(September 7, 2022 at 3:59 pm)Deesse23 Wrote: Were you looking for other explanations of why a 7th century Arab counts 360 joints?Sure, a social reformer and a founder of a world religion really decided to go dissect a body and count joints. I must tell you, Deesse, that's one hell of a stretch.
Stretch: Maybe to you, because your religious programming prohibits your mind from entertaining even the most simple thoughts, as long as your faith could potentially be threatened.
(September 9, 2022 at 2:46 pm)R00tKiT Wrote:...and he didnt need to. All he needed is to believe it was right. You, of all people, who have no idea of how to properly evaluate your beliefs for truth content, should know how easy it is to fall for BS.(September 7, 2022 at 3:59 pm)Deesse23 Wrote: Were you considering that he knew of greek or chinese people dissecting bodies and counting joints and potentially coming to the same conclusion as the Arab a thousand years later?
Yes or no?
Yes, ofc, except he had no way to tell whether the chinese guys got the number right or not,
(September 9, 2022 at 2:46 pm)R00tKiT Wrote:I said it so often, i repeat it again: If you understand the burden of proof, you do. Do you understand the burden of proof?(September 7, 2022 at 3:59 pm)Deesse23 Wrote: You claimed it was a prophecy. You have to rule out pre islam medicine being correct, not by chance, but by counting joints a thousand years prior.
GO
good luck
Again, I don't have to rule out anything or anybody being correct.
Cetero censeo religionem delendam esse