Dualism

[Eilonnwy]

Well I think the argument shows the stubborn opposition we have as non-believers and you have as a believer. You recognize and admit that your belief is not based on fact, and that's fine, but many would assert that they believe in god because they have evidence. What it comes down to is that for you, belief in god and things religious is never based on fact. That's fine, it's your right to believe that, but that's very unique to you in my experience with believers. If I asked my mother why she believes she would list a few different reasons. One of them would be a faith issue, but she'd also mention, the bible, Jesus, and a personal experience that she constantly tries to tell me about to convince me that there has to be something (And it frustrates her to no end that I reject it)

If you believed that you had proof, then you were seriously deluded.

Ha! For once we agree, but for very different reasons.

I believe in God and know very well there is no, and can be no proof.

Which is a position you hold but is not true of other Christians, and that's simple fact.

Therefore your position that belief in God is deluded because of lack of evidence is absurd, I'd hope you agree.

If I accepted the premise that to belief in god can have no evidence, yes. That's consistent with the worldview, but I don't subscribe to that worldview so essentially we'll never come to agreement.

The fact that you say evidence is not a requirement for belief in god and I say it is, means we can't really take the conversation any further. It's a conversation stopper.

At the end of the day the specific word belief most certainly can apply to things you believe on evidence. Yes, words are very important in how we communicate and that is the specific meaning of the word.

Great to see you on the staff BTW

Thank you.