Dualism

[Edwardo Piet]

Okay, I'm jumping into the argument late but I believe (lol) that EvF says Belief can be based on knowledge or faith,

Correct....

but Fr0d0 says belief and faith are essentially the same thing?

it certainly seems so! As I have been trying to say him. He seems to be playing with words, before fr0d0 treated faith as belief without evidence but now he seems to be saying that all belief is without evidence!. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

I've always understood faith to be specifically belief without proof, but belief itself can be based on proof and sometimes not.

That's how I understand it too. There is nothing in the dictionary that says belief=belief without evidence! Belief just=belief! Faith[=belief without evidence/'proof'.

Everyone has beliefs whether they base them on evidence/logic/faith.

Indeed

I would say belief is an overarching term but faith is specific for meaning "Belief without proof".

I agree.


As you said on your first thread...you are now saying again that my name...Evidence Vs Faith is an oxymoron, which is, quite frankly utterly ridiculous. Faith is belief without evidence - just as darkness is absence of life. Saying Evidence Vs Faith is an oxymoron is like saying Light Vs Darkness is an oxymoron! Light darkness or dark brightness is yes...but not when you add the vs!! Vs=Versus right? 'Good Evil' or 'Bitter Sweet' is also an oxymoron. But Good Vs Evil or Bitter Vs Sweet is not!

Last time you said that you were 'not so serious that part' when Adrian corrected you on your first thread...and I quote:

EvidenceVsFaith

An oximoran in a name

Adrian's response:

How is it an oximoron? His username is "EvidenceVsFaith". In other words, evidence versus faith. In other words (in case you still don't get it), a reference to the battle between the rational (who use evidence) and the faithful (who use faith). EvidenceVsFaith sides with the rational side.

And you answer with

Hi

I wasn't so serious with that - yes I understand what it means - it remains a nonsensical battle.

so....you are back on saying my name is an oxymoron again, huh? Are you actually serious this time?

Not believing in God because there's not evidence is obviously not an oxymoron if you know what an oxymoron is.

I don't believe in God because there's no evidence. Yes to believe in God you can't have evidence if as you say evidence for God is impossible because he's unprovable and unfalsifiable...but I I certainly don't need to believe in God!!

If you cannot have evidence to believe in God that does not mean that believing without evidence is at all rational.

Belief does not need proof no. I never said that it did need it. I'm saying that you can believe that something exists and that thing actually be backed up with evidence or proof! Not all belief is without evidence! Faith is belief without evidence.

EvF