Biden Losing It

[The Grand Nudger]

That's one of the problems, really, particularly in context of the us where both "poor" and "criminal" are functionally interchangeable with black, and treated accordingly.  That certainly can't be the type of system you think should knock heads even harder...can it?

I don't think preventing incarcerated felons from voting is really that hard a knock.

-and that certainly has something to do with what you think about Incarcerated Felons™.

You think you're talking about a particular kind of person, but the reality of people incarcerated on felony charges is not going to look like what you have in mind. As I keep suggesting, alot of those guys have the most cut and dry -need- for a voice in their governance...one that rarely goes above a mild desire in your own life. They couldn't vote against...beating the shit out of prisoners, for example..if they couldn't vote. They couldn't vote for more rehab funding..if they can't vote. Meanwhile, you're on an internet board for shits and giggles just casually suggesting that we treat the worst treated human beings on earth, even worse. Would you vote for it, and would you appreciate the irony if you got that chance?

As for the race problem-- and what an absolute clusterfuck it is at least in the US-- I don't know that there ever CAN be a solution, so long as poverty and drugs exist in the same space.

I saw it even worse when I worked on reservation lands in Canada.  There's no saving a town when even the chief is sniffing glue to get by.  Mothers, uncles, cousins, doing drugs WITH kids.  That's the outer circle of the fucking Inferno.  How does that cycle ever break for them?

I'm not talking about all native reservations, by the way.  Some of them had oil or casinos or worked in regions with mining or forestry, and they had good schools, 2 trucks in every driveway, and so on.  They had community centers where kids learned traditional languages and arts.  Nice places, great cultural experience.  Elk jerky rocks.

It looks like a race problem, but it really isn't-- it's a debasement problem.  Debasement leads to hardcore criminality, and there's really nothing you can do about it from the outside so far as I can tell.

-and seeing as how it's a debasement problem...should we further debase those people by officially unpersoning them? Beyond that, if you contend that poverty is a factor, that would suggest a pretty straightforward solution. If poverty is a factor, it's not at all like gravity, just how things are, unsolvable.