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Free will and the necessary evil
RE: Free will and the necessary evil
(November 2, 2022 at 11:52 pm)HankMoody316 Wrote:
LinuxGal Wrote:Free will is not a scientific concept.  There can only be evidence of what we did choose, never of counterfactual outcomes. Physical laws proceed deterministically, with occasional stochastic interruptions due to quantum effects.  In either case, human will, whatever that is, can have no influence. (sic my emphasis added)

I will copy/paste what 2 mathematician told me in response to my claims about music, math, and reality. Here was my claim about music and math: "Thanks, this allows me to realize some strange, spooky stuff about reality. It's amazing the power of math and how reality seems to be easier to understand once you internalize some advanced math concepts, such as set theory or sequences."

Mathematician "A" responded: "No, most of the physical world can be modeled by mathematics.  The idea that people are amazed that music can be modeled by Math is confusing to me. I wouldn’t say that music is Math. Yes, like most of the physical world it follows mathematical patterns."

Mathematician "B" responded: "Just be careful to realize that math does not always correspond with physical reality. As in, just because you can define a mathematical concept doesn't mean that the concept exists in the real world or implies anything at all about the real world by itself.

A wavefuction is a function. 
A function is a map. 
A map is not the territory.
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Free will and the necessary evil - by Mystical - October 30, 2022 at 11:23 am
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by zebo-the-fat - October 30, 2022 at 11:36 am
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by Mystical - October 30, 2022 at 11:43 am
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by Jehanne - October 30, 2022 at 1:55 pm
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by Mystical - October 30, 2022 at 2:28 pm
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by Jehanne - October 30, 2022 at 2:45 pm
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by Anomalocaris - October 31, 2022 at 1:59 am
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by Jehanne - October 31, 2022 at 6:36 am
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by Angrboda - October 30, 2022 at 1:20 pm
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by Orbit - October 30, 2022 at 1:24 pm
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by Mystical - October 30, 2022 at 2:28 pm
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by Angrboda - October 30, 2022 at 3:01 pm
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - October 30, 2022 at 3:26 pm
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by LinuxGal - October 30, 2022 at 8:02 pm
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by Belacqua - October 31, 2022 at 1:30 am
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - October 30, 2022 at 1:45 pm
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by Jehanne - October 30, 2022 at 4:14 pm
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - October 30, 2022 at 5:20 pm
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by Jehanne - October 30, 2022 at 8:57 pm
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by LadyForCamus - October 30, 2022 at 9:15 pm
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by Jehanne - October 30, 2022 at 9:24 pm
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by Belacqua - October 31, 2022 at 1:23 am
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - October 31, 2022 at 4:19 am
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by Silver - October 30, 2022 at 9:23 pm
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by Ranjr - October 30, 2022 at 11:27 pm
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - October 31, 2022 at 6:42 am
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by The Grand Nudger - October 31, 2022 at 7:52 am
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - October 31, 2022 at 10:59 am
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by Jehanne - November 1, 2022 at 8:33 am
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by The Grand Nudger - November 1, 2022 at 8:01 am
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by Neo-Scholastic - November 1, 2022 at 10:23 am
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by Jehanne - November 1, 2022 at 12:00 pm
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by Neo-Scholastic - November 1, 2022 at 5:09 pm
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by Jehanne - November 1, 2022 at 5:11 pm
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by Neo-Scholastic - November 1, 2022 at 9:46 pm
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by Jehanne - November 1, 2022 at 9:58 pm
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by HankMoody316 - November 2, 2022 at 2:48 pm
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - November 2, 2022 at 3:55 pm
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by LinuxGal - November 2, 2022 at 3:19 pm
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by HankMoody316 - November 2, 2022 at 11:52 pm
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by Jehanne - November 3, 2022 at 5:06 am
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by LinuxGal - November 5, 2022 at 11:08 am
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - November 1, 2022 at 12:05 pm
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by h4ym4n - November 1, 2022 at 10:12 am
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by Pat Mustard - November 1, 2022 at 10:56 am
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by The Grand Nudger - November 1, 2022 at 3:43 pm
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - November 1, 2022 at 3:57 pm
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by The Grand Nudger - November 1, 2022 at 10:03 pm
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by Jehanne - November 2, 2022 at 5:08 pm
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by Gwaithmir - November 2, 2022 at 8:00 pm
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by The Grand Nudger - November 2, 2022 at 8:14 pm
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by Silver - November 2, 2022 at 8:21 pm
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by Jehanne - November 2, 2022 at 8:31 pm
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by The Grand Nudger - November 2, 2022 at 11:23 pm
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by The Grand Nudger - November 3, 2022 at 12:13 am
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by Silver - November 3, 2022 at 12:15 am
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by HankMoody316 - November 3, 2022 at 12:56 am
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by Belacqua - November 3, 2022 at 1:50 am
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by Angrboda - November 3, 2022 at 8:48 am
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by Neo-Scholastic - November 3, 2022 at 11:56 pm
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by Jehanne - November 4, 2022 at 5:56 am
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by Belacqua - November 4, 2022 at 6:13 am
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by Jehanne - November 4, 2022 at 6:16 am
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by Belacqua - November 4, 2022 at 6:33 am
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by Jehanne - November 4, 2022 at 6:35 am
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by Belacqua - November 4, 2022 at 6:39 am
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by Jehanne - November 4, 2022 at 8:16 am
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by Belacqua - November 4, 2022 at 8:28 am
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by Jehanne - November 4, 2022 at 8:33 am
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by Belacqua - November 4, 2022 at 8:38 am
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by Jehanne - November 4, 2022 at 8:54 am
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by Belacqua - November 4, 2022 at 9:10 am
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by Jehanne - November 4, 2022 at 9:26 am
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by Angrboda - November 4, 2022 at 9:39 am
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by Jehanne - November 4, 2022 at 10:00 am
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by Angrboda - November 4, 2022 at 10:48 am
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by Jehanne - November 4, 2022 at 11:36 am
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by Angrboda - November 4, 2022 at 12:23 pm
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by Jehanne - November 4, 2022 at 12:44 pm
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by Angrboda - November 4, 2022 at 2:31 pm
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by Jehanne - November 4, 2022 at 2:51 pm
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by Angrboda - November 5, 2022 at 10:32 am
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by LinuxGal - November 5, 2022 at 10:46 am
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by Jehanne - November 5, 2022 at 12:48 pm
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by Angrboda - November 5, 2022 at 12:58 pm
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by Jehanne - November 5, 2022 at 1:14 pm
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by Angrboda - November 5, 2022 at 4:44 pm
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by Jehanne - November 5, 2022 at 5:00 pm
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by Angrboda - November 5, 2022 at 5:15 pm
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by Jehanne - November 5, 2022 at 5:57 pm
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by Angrboda - November 5, 2022 at 8:07 pm
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by Jehanne - November 5, 2022 at 8:23 pm
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by LinuxGal - November 5, 2022 at 6:20 pm
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by LinuxGal - December 16, 2022 at 8:36 pm
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by Jehanne - December 16, 2022 at 9:17 pm
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by HankMoody316 - November 6, 2022 at 3:00 am
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by Belacqua - November 6, 2022 at 3:08 am
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by HankMoody316 - November 6, 2022 at 3:21 am
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by Belacqua - November 6, 2022 at 3:45 am
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by Jehanne - November 6, 2022 at 6:53 am
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by Nay_Sayer - November 6, 2022 at 2:05 pm
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by HankMoody316 - November 6, 2022 at 4:35 pm
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by Belacqua - November 6, 2022 at 7:24 pm
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by Nay_Sayer - November 6, 2022 at 2:04 pm
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by HankMoody316 - November 6, 2022 at 4:44 pm
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by Nay_Sayer - November 6, 2022 at 5:49 pm
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by The Grand Nudger - November 3, 2022 at 12:20 am
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by Silver - November 3, 2022 at 12:40 am
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by The Grand Nudger - November 3, 2022 at 1:08 am
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by HankMoody316 - November 3, 2022 at 1:41 am
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - November 3, 2022 at 4:37 am
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by arewethereyet - November 3, 2022 at 2:00 pm
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by Ranjr - November 3, 2022 at 9:01 am
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by purplepurpose - November 3, 2022 at 2:27 pm
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by The Grand Nudger - November 4, 2022 at 8:49 am
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by Ahriman - November 4, 2022 at 10:57 am
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - November 4, 2022 at 11:02 am
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by The Grand Nudger - November 4, 2022 at 12:43 pm
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by The Grand Nudger - November 4, 2022 at 12:59 pm
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by Jehanne - November 4, 2022 at 1:02 pm
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by arewethereyet - November 4, 2022 at 2:54 pm
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by Jehanne - November 4, 2022 at 2:57 pm
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by Ahriman - November 4, 2022 at 5:13 pm
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by LadyForCamus - November 4, 2022 at 6:03 pm
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by Ranjr - November 5, 2022 at 12:40 am
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by LinuxGal - November 5, 2022 at 10:12 am
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by Ranjr - November 6, 2022 at 2:20 pm
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by The Grand Nudger - November 6, 2022 at 2:45 pm
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by Ranjr - November 6, 2022 at 8:27 pm
RE: Free will and the necessary evil - by arewethereyet - November 6, 2022 at 8:18 pm

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