(December 5, 2022 at 12:27 pm)Simon Moon Wrote:'existence (noun) is a thing' which makes it an 'effect', not a cause. Principle of Causality, cause precedes effect.(December 4, 2022 at 3:05 am)snowtracks Wrote: Philosophical statement - If anything now exists, then something must be eternal
or something not eternal came out of nothing.
Yes.
The eternal thing is existence. Existence has always existed, it could not have been any other way.
And no, something 'not eternal' did not come out of nothing, it came out of existence.
Still no need for a god.
Atheist Credo: A universe by chance that also just happened to admit the observer by chance.